Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.049 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.90; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'received:209.85.212.46': 0.03; 'received:mail- vw0-f46.google.com': 0.03; 'removes': 0.07; 'correct.': 0.09; 'deliberately': 0.09; 'fewer': 0.09; 'silently': 0.09; 'looked': 0.10; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'coded': 0.16; 'ie.': 0.16; 'minority,': 0.16; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'capture': 0.16; 'useful,': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; 'awesome': 0.19; 'true,': 0.19; 'not.': 0.22; 'code': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; "aren't": 0.22; 'thu,': 0.22; 'do,': 0.22; 'assumes': 0.23; 'downloaded': 0.24; 'received:209.85.212': 0.25; 'windows': 0.26; 'instead': 0.26; 'chris': 0.27; 'developers': 0.28; 'thanks': 0.29; 'string': 0.29; 'developers.': 0.29; 'does': 0.31; 'standards': 0.31; 'supposed': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'explorer': 0.33; 'from:charset:iso-8859-1': 0.33; 'received:192.168.1': 0.34; 'received:192': 0.34; 'change': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'tool': 0.35; 'point': 0.35; 'convince': 0.35; 'subject:software': 0.35; 'doing': 0.36; 'think': 0.36; "we're": 0.37; 'received:192.168': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'execute': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'used': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'could': 0.39; 'where': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'would': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'virus': 0.61; 'back': 0.61; '2011': 0.62; 'internet': 0.62; 'market': 0.63; 'below': 0.63; 'browser': 0.64; 'world': 0.65; 'share': 0.67; '90%': 0.68; "google's": 0.69; 'subject:Free': 0.72; 'message- id:@localhost.localdomain': 0.74; 'browser.': 0.77; 'flash': 0.84; 'consumers.': 0.84; 'figures.': 0.84; 'popularity': 0.84; 'scarily': 0.84; 'witness': 0.84; 'hearts': 0.91; 'here...': 0.91; 'realm': 0.91; 'reliable,': 0.91; 'browsers': 0.93; 'roots': 0.95 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iNG55w8Nsi6I1nB/YOc9D2UlqiGyHcPD98FSQgUDqek=; b=XeSsN+sRqAB8TU2kD4A3MTQgpRplO7U6JPAuOmB6BHbbK5QZiSE4RkHT4e2yrk00Nw jn7P3IhcSGYCBICHnDEfhS8MpQLJNGg2uluraewcaJG70AVAuC9sPbJrICOlUW/poozv spzXxr5LOR4oMBikyxIDo2zdmw6pIbt6XHSTw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=uU6Fzu1+7/Ifuj1Ua1Gu1gjaq7FxV6UbMZjJJJIyCTGjLgTOXd04NlMyMKDXpTvEGp 89NFwWEnCUa2y+3nZ0k+IdnDEjwPDRU3tnQfUc2WNfv93d5d0eZI3xDaL8NOLVYKYHbC 8Pova8UsnW3XvuxzUOaKwpCFZ6ZowUwh91i98= Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents From: Westley =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= To: python-list@python.org In-Reply-To: <4da6fe5e$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <4d9d6a4a$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6Nknp.10080$lx3.7480@newsfe02.iad> <4d9e6551$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da0f1e1$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da6fe5e$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 13:46:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 36 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302814014 news.xs4all.nl 81481 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:48629 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3213 On Thu, 2011-04-14 at 14:02 +0000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2011 19:15:05 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > > > 4) Assumes people aren't deliberately fiddling the figures. Yeah, that > > would be correct. We're in the realm of conspiracy theories here... does > > anyone seriously think that browser stats are THAT important that they'd > > go to multiple web servers with deceitful hits? > > Back in the day, not that many years ago, when it looked like Internet > Explorer would never dip below 90% market share and web developers coded > for IE quirks instead of standards as a matter of course, I used to > fantasize of writing a Windows virus that (apart from propagating) did > nothing but change the user-agent string on IE. It would have been > awesome to witness the consternation among web developers. > > But thanks to the EU doing what the US DOJ refused to do, and the grass- > roots popularity of Firefox (plus a fewer well-known even if not often > used browsers like Safari and Opera), and then Google's scarily efficient > way they can capture hearts and minds on the Internet, IE's market share > has been whittled away to the point that there are places in the world > where IE is a minority browser. A large minority, it is true, but still a > minority. > > Now, if only we could convince web users that having your browser execute > untrusted code downloaded from the Internet is not such a good idea, > supposed sandbox or not. What the world needs is a virus that silently > removes Javascript and Flash from browsers... > > > > -- > Steven Web developers will always use the tool they find to be the most reliable, efficient, and useful, as will consumers.