Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.datemas.de!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'lines,': 0.07; 'variables': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'dan': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; '"python"': 0.16; 'culturally': 0.16; 'direction?': 0.16; 'names?': 0.16; 'obsessed': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'community.': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'received:comcast.net': 0.24; 'long,': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints- To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'direction': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'getting': 0.31; 'bad.': 0.31; 'multiline': 0.31; 'perl': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'agree': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'too': 0.37; 'turn': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'first': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'temporary': 0.65; 'beautiful': 0.68; 'trends': 0.69; 'subject:One': 0.74; 'complex,': 0.84; 'mistakes,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ned Batchelder Subject: Re: One liners Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 19:07:42 -0500 References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-50-133-228-126.hsd1.ma.comcast.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386374876 news.xs4all.nl 2973 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:43585 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61197 On 12/6/13 6:54 PM, Dan Stromberg wrote: > > Does anyone else feel like Python is being dragged too far in the > direction of long, complex, multiline one-liners? Or avoiding temporary > variables with descriptive names? Or using regex's for everything under > the sun? > > What happened to using classes? What happened to the beautiful emphasis > on readability? What happened to debuggability (which is always harder > than writing things in the first place)? And what happened to string > methods? > > I'm pleased to see Python getting more popular, but it feels like a lot > of newcomers are trying their best to turn Python into Perl or > something, culturally speaking. I agree with you that those trends would be bad. But I'm not sure how you are judging that "Python" is being dragged in that direction? It's a huge community. Sure some people are obsessed with fewer lines, and micro-optimizations, and other newb mistakes, but there are good people too! --Ned, ever the optimist.