Path: csiph.com!feeder.erje.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.freenet.ag!newsfeed.kamp.net!newsfeed.kamp.net!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Michael Selik Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [beginner] What's wrong? Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 14:48:05 +0000 Lines: 41 Message-ID: References: <99234e90-fcd4-4a05-b97f-b47228dde20c@googlegroups.com> <1459571270.714249.566352882.6ADCD0CC@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de XwKW8949vAMdKuTtFPljDAnBQXreb8tK28UA2D7IqVcA== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.015 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.09; 'unicode,': 0.09; 'folks': 0.15; 'subsequent': 0.15; '2016': 0.16; '3:27': 0.16; '999': 0.16; 'astronomical': 0.16; 'numbering': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:beginner': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'integer': 0.18; '>': 0.18; 'email addr:gmail.com>': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'cc:2**0': 0.20; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.20; 'saying': 0.22; 'defined': 0.23; 'sat,': 0.23; 'long,': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'chris': 0.26; 'earlier': 0.27; 'define': 0.27; 'fri,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; '17th': 0.29; 'btw,': 0.29; 'era': 0.29; 'long.': 0.29; 'url:wikipedia': 0.29; 'starts': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'system,': 0.30; 'url:wiki': 0.30; 'michael': 0.33; 'skip:& 20': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'trouble': 0.35; 'could': 0.35; 'there': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'received:209.85': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'pm,': 0.36; 'being': 0.37; 'skip:& 10': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'received:209.85.220': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; 'why': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'url:en': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; '2000': 0.63; 'country.': 0.67; 'talking': 0.67; 'finally': 0.70; '2001.': 0.84; 'humans': 0.84; 'millennium': 0.84; 'prayer': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84; 'forgotten': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=v/8HRwx0vITvbY69OZMUtjUprOeuePBn6egVhYkwrS8=; b=vS/NoAH/jm34hum0O9RoFyQm7OCb8iBm3N0tj6kr9yayUi32ndvcj9NTmswGdyRBqO arMsLmT9BsGmjHsjeqL+6Msiq2k7hXyVh3+tUS7pGvw4kouxsdsSmUuBWke+zqj2sZ8v w+NhMinUbu9sHaVp8Q+Hs7DiQAInsM7DTyzM4cN+/ApAixo+D1e+J8YQA9IHdKqRZvua U0Ws68WR7sLf9r1zMGjdAua1rm8KgJrzh2Q9K0nUAqVP2Iw7kxhR4Sh0zd35dUTgRDKV 1N9NXqmxogjuroGnrR20DpoM59+HFu8Wyf9WWGyxOyi28GEUt5um+hONuMge7QFYPimV e5jA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=v/8HRwx0vITvbY69OZMUtjUprOeuePBn6egVhYkwrS8=; b=hQ1L8NRfy+eHYDLmZwy1dnRlXKEkBi6+Hd0KPb/8+w3/XBq829fSZNktG/UJXhVfTV 73UkIlBIlyIl4XNP75id01z5+4ppBZFQIBWWznHtjvHxK+OAwtrjlVuMwqnnCQjj/J8g uU/ZaKQP+X6LAT6VzFXDpye04jbRfwLL2eW2eY3XKdQxHnAe0ex/fs+087DbdrDWZuWB /cITxGQ6jnYsgwBIUqbLf8p/Enogx5I012syoISO0lyiqPSECFs38PyijeUyMEwHM8K+ RP3uEJQZkONjMJKMfey2etIeV0SJwpRoWzwsAj1FIXwCdyMirSlI2UF90N6W7fj4XMic KTNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJKy8Q0A0C/aRsTV5hYHSv5WQOPaFHEoQt7ybX0zbmdcggLMy1LbdzcoL+D1FlbL6to+43D5cxuNi8+pag== X-Received: by 10.55.79.17 with SMTP id d17mr24416414qkb.56.1459608494470; Sat, 02 Apr 2016 07:48:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106287 On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 4:16 AM Chris Angelico wrote: > On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Random832 wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016, at 19:29, Michael Selik wrote: > >> Humans have always had trouble with this, in many contexts. I remember > >> being annoyed at folks saying the year 2000 was the first year of the > new > >> millennium, rather than 2001. They'd forgotten the Gregorian calendar > >> starts from AD 1. > > > > Naturally, this means the first millennium was only 999 years long, and > > all subsequent millennia were 1000 years long. (Whereas "millennium" is > > defined as the set of all years of a given era for a given integer k > > where y // 1000 =3D=3D k. How else would you define it?) > > > > And if you want to get technical, the gregorian calendar starts from > > some year no earlier than 1582, depending on the country. The year > > numbering system has little to do with the calendar type - your > > assertion in fact regards the BC/AD year numbering system, which was > > invented by Bede. > > > > The astronomical year-numbering system, which does contain a year zero > > (and uses negative numbers rather than a reverse-numbered "BC" era), an= d > > is incidentally used by ISO 8601, was invented by Jacques Cassini in th= e > > 17th century. > > > > Are you sure? Because I'm pretty sure these folks were already talking > about BC. > > http://xenohistorian.faithweb.com/holybook/quotes/YK.html > > If they'd only used Unicode, they could have said "=C3=BEou" in prayer and = "=C3=B0ousand" for the year. BTW, I finally know why there are all those "Ye Olde ...". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(letter)