Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!border2.nntp.ams2.giganews.com!border4.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!amsnews11.chello.com!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'handler': 0.04; 'function,': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'namespace': 0.09; 'referenced': 0.09; 'stating': 0.09; 'def': 0.13; 'meaningful': 0.13; 'arbitrarily': 0.16; 'fruit': 0.16; 'innermost': 0.16; 'local.': 0.16; 'naming': 0.16; 'objects*': 0.16; 'resource,': 0.16; 'scopes': 0.16; 'sense...': 0.16; 'should.': 0.16; 'subject:Overriding': 0.16; 'subject:global': 0.16; 'wanted.': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; "wouldn't": 0.17; 'wed,': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'processed': 0.18; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.20; 'dec': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'indices': 0.23; 'loop,': 0.23; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'besides': 0.24; "python's": 0.24; 'code': 0.25; "i'm": 0.26; 'fact': 0.27; 'code,': 0.27; 'variable': 0.28; 'around.': 0.29; 'problem': 0.29; 'print': 0.29; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.29; 'pm,': 0.29; 'chris': 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; "i've": 0.31; 'values': 0.32; 'idea': 0.32; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.33; 'points': 0.34; 'loop': 0.34; 'nested': 0.34; 'languages': 0.35; 'variables': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'think': 0.37; 'doing': 0.38; 'using': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; "i'd": 0.39; 'being': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; '2011': 0.61; 'your': 0.61; 'perfect': 0.64; 'guarantee': 0.65; 'piece': 0.66; 'received:62': 0.70; '(one': 0.73; 'unnecessary': 0.73; "'foo'": 0.84; 'valid,': 0.84; 'surprise': 0.97 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,351,1320620400"; d="scan'208";a="41550" X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.sequans.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:05:19 +0100 From: Jean-Michel Pichavant User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100328) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Angelico Subject: Re: Overriding a global References: <4ee671f6$0$29979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4ee733d4$0$29979$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4EE75382.9060104@sequans.com> <4EE8771D.1050902@sequans.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 58 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1323864323 news.xs4all.nl 6922 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33879 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:17200 Chris Angelico wrote: > On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:14 PM, Jean-Michel Pichavant > wrote: > >> The problem makes little sense when using names like x or func1. Besides >> namespace issues, naming 2 *different objects* with the same meaningful name >> is usually a bad idea and points the fact that your names are no that >> meaningful. >> > > So... it's a bad idea for me to use 'i' many times in my code, with > the same name having different meanings in different places? In > languages with infinitely-nesting scopes (one of Python's great lacks, > imho), I've often had three different variables with the same names, > all perfectly valid, and all doing what they should. It's not just > loop indices - I used to have a piece of code in which 'res' was a > MySQL resource being processed in a loop, and I had three nested > loops. Each time I referenced 'res', it used the innermost available > resource, which was precisely what I wanted. If I'd arbitrarily had to > guarantee that all variable names were unique, I would have had > completely unnecessary fiddling around. > > Python wouldn't let you do that with three nested 'res'es in one > function, but you can perfectly reasonably have a global and a local. > It makes perfect sense... which is a good reason for keeping it legal. > > ChrisA > Bad ideas : i = 5 def spam(): for i,v in enumerate([1,2,3,4]): for i,v in enumerate(['a','b', 'c']): print i, v print i,v # bad surprise good ideas : # global nameThatWillNotBeUsedlocally = 'foo' def spam(): for qtyIndex, quantity in enumerate([5,6,3,1]): for fruitIndex, fruit in enumerate(['orange', 'banana']): print fruitIndex, fruit print qtyIndex, quantity While a lot of people still use i,j,k,v to handler values and indexes, I think it's a bad idea. I'm just stating an opinion from my personnal python experience. I know some people can successfully use the hard way. JM