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From: Fabio Zadrozny <fabiofz@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 23:58:56 -0300
Subject: Re: LiClipse
To: Verde Denim <tdldev@gmail.com>
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Hello there,

As I've proposed it, let me try to explain it a bit better (if you have
doubts, I should probably rephrase the proposal).

There are 2 main targets there: keeping PyDev properly supported (which
hopefully doesn't need more explanation) and creating LiClipse.

The idea for LiClipse is definitely not making a fork, but having an easier
way to add a basic editor inside Eclipse (while developing PyDev, I do get
many requests for adding support for editors related to Python, such as
Django templates, Mako, Restructured text, Cython, etc), so, this will
provide me with a basis to do that (and with the basis in place, the idea
is having the possibility of creating an editor without knowledge of
Eclipse and in a very fast way -- current technologies for that such as
DLTK or XText aim much higher and are not trivial. I really want to have a
way to have a basic editor inside Eclipse just specifying the language very
'loosely' -- say, something that'd take you 15-30 minutes and almost no
special knowledge of Eclipse internals -- and which would need more
knowledge of Eclipse internals only for more advanced stuff).

As for the dark theme, it's something that annoys me a lot (so, I was
hoping it was also something interesting for other people -- right now,
it's not possible to have a professional dark theme in Eclipse, there are
many loose ends -- so, for those that would like to work with a dark theme
-- as myself -- it may be very annoying -- although yes, it may not be
applicable if you're happy with the current non-dark UI).

As for distributions, yes, I plan to do an Eclipse distribution with
LiClipse / PyDev bundled -- Easy Eclipse is definitely not a solution as it
is NOT supported (it has an ancient version of PyDev which only serves to
confuse users and Eclipse.org does not have a Python version with PyDev).
I'd hardly call that a fork thought (and it should be possible to install
it as a separate plugin anyways, so, you can use the Eclipse you got from
anywhere and just use the update site to get those plugins).

Cheers,

Fabio


On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Verde Denim <tdldev@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 03/22/2013 04:26 PM, Wanderer wrote:
> > I just updated PyDev and I got this message that they are looking for
> funding for a new flavor of Eclipse called LiClipse. The description of
> what LiClipse will be is kind of sketchy. No offense intended, but why?
> There is already a bunch of downloads at Eclipse and there is also Easy
> Eclipse. The only reason for a redesign of Eclipse, I would want would be
> change it from being Java based. Oracle is losing money and I wonder what
> their next business model will be for Java. Anyway, does anyone know what
> this LiClipse is all about?
> >
> > Thanks
> Check this -
>
> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pydev-and-liclipse-for-a-fast-sexy-and-dark-eclipse
> described as a toolchain with plugins and a sleek UI for Eclipse; sounds
> like a fork...
>
> --
> Regards
>
> Jack
> Boston Tea Party, Coercive Acts, Powder Alarm, Revolution
> Lessons (mistakes) not learned are bound to be repeated.
>
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello there,<div><br></div><div>As I&#39;ve proposed it, l=
et me try to explain it a bit better (if you have doubts, I should probably=
 rephrase the proposal).</div><div><br></div><div>There are 2 main targets =
there: keeping PyDev properly supported (which hopefully doesn&#39;t need m=
ore explanation) and creating LiClipse.<br>


<div><br></div><div>The idea for LiClipse is definitely not making a fork, =
but having an easier way to add a basic editor inside Eclipse (while develo=
ping PyDev, I do get many requests for adding support for editors related t=
o Python, such as Django templates, Mako, Restructured text, Cython, etc), =
so, this will provide me with a basis to do that (and with the basis in pla=
ce, the idea is having the possibility of creating an editor without knowle=
dge of Eclipse and in a very fast way -- current technologies for that such=
 as DLTK or XText aim much higher and are not trivial. I really want to hav=
e a way to have a basic editor inside Eclipse just specifying the language =
very &#39;loosely&#39; -- say, something that&#39;d take you 15-30 minutes =
and almost no special knowledge of Eclipse internals -- and which would nee=
d more knowledge of Eclipse internals only for more advanced stuff).</div>

<div><br></div><div style>As for the dark theme, it&#39;s something that an=
noys me a lot (so, I was hoping it was also something interesting for other=
 people -- right now, it&#39;s not possible to have a professional dark the=
me in Eclipse, there are many loose ends -- so, for those that would like t=
o work with a dark theme -- as myself -- it may be very annoying -- althoug=
h yes, it may not be applicable if you&#39;re happy with the current non-da=
rk UI).<br>

</div>
<div><br></div><div style>As for distributions, yes, I plan to do an Eclips=
e distribution with LiClipse / PyDev bundled -- Easy Eclipse is definitely =
not a solution as it is NOT supported (it has an ancient version of PyDev w=
hich only serves to confuse users and Eclipse.org does not have a Python ve=
rsion with PyDev). I&#39;d hardly call that a fork thought (and it should b=
e possible to install it as a separate plugin anyways, so, you can use the =
Eclipse you got from anywhere and just use the update site to get those plu=
gins).</div>

<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div></div><div><br></div><div>Fabio</div></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar =
22, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Verde Denim <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:t=
dldev@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">tdldev@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<b=
r>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On 03/22/2013 04:26 PM, Wa=
nderer wrote:<br>
&gt; I just updated PyDev and I got this message that they are looking for =
funding for a new flavor of Eclipse called LiClipse. The description of wha=
t LiClipse will be is kind of sketchy. No offense intended, but why? There =
is already a bunch of downloads at Eclipse and there is also Easy Eclipse. =
The only reason for a redesign of Eclipse, I would want would be change it =
from being Java based. Oracle is losing money and I wonder what their next =
business model will be for Java. Anyway, does anyone know what this LiClips=
e is all about?<br>


&gt;<br>
&gt; Thanks<br>
</div>Check this -<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pydev-and-liclipse-for-a-fast-=
sexy-and-dark-eclipse" target=3D"_blank">http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/=
pydev-and-liclipse-for-a-fast-sexy-and-dark-eclipse</a><br>
described as a toolchain with plugins and a sleek UI for Eclipse; sounds<br=
>
like a fork...<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
--<br>
Regards<br>
<br>
Jack<br>
Boston Tea Party, Coercive Acts, Powder Alarm, Revolution<br>
Lessons (mistakes) not learned are bound to be repeated.<br>
<br>
--<br>
<a href=3D"http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list" target=3D"_=
blank">http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list</a><br>
</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

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