Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.026 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.95; '*S*': 0.00; 'received:134': 0.05; 'failing': 0.07; 'code"': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; 'changes': 0.15; '"we': 0.16; 'builtins.': 0.16; 'ignoring': 0.16; 'point!': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'developers': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; "i'm": 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; 'bugs': 0.33; 'problem': 0.35; 'point.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'keyword': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'turn': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'support,': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'break': 0.61; 'introduced': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'difficulty': 0.68; 'confusing': 0.84; 'pardon': 0.84 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqcEAECtUFWGuA9G/2dsb2JhbABchEGDHsk6AoF7AQEBAQEBhSwBAQQjVRELGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUTBgICiCi0B45uhEoBAQgCIIEhihiFDBaCUoFFAQSdIIdKjw0jg3ltAYJFAQEB Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 15:27:50 +0200 From: Antoon Pardon User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: anomaly References: <554F9525.5040101@digipen.edu> <5550815E.5080600@rece.vub.ac.be> <87fv73iavz.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> In-Reply-To: <87fv73iavz.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431350872 news.xs4all.nl 2931 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41214 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90377 Op 11-05-15 om 13:58 schreef Marko Rauhamaa: > Antoon Pardon : > >> Which is exactly the point! They were turned into keywords because the >> developers didn't want to allow them being overridden. There is no a >> priori reason why we should turn "True" into a keyword and allow "int" >> in the builtins. >> >> We are only allowed to be adults, for as far as the developers let us. >> They allow us to be adults with regards to "int" but they don't allow >> us to be adults with regards to "True". >> >> Defending "int" being overridable by declating "We're all adults" is >> being selective. > I'm still failing to see the point. What problem are you having a > difficulty solving? The point is that all too often someone wants to defend a specific choice the developers have made and cites some general rule or principle in support, ignoring the fact that python breaks that rule/principle in other area's. "We are all adults, we give you the freedom to break things or write confusing code" and variantions is such a rule/principle, because often enough changes in the language are introduced to make it easier to eliminate bugs or are refused because they would be too bug prone. -- Antoon Pardon