Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.etla.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'argument': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'php.': 0.07; 'tool,': 0.07; 'php,': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.11; 'gui': 0.12; 'language,': 0.12; 'language.': 0.14; 'clues': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'gmane': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; "someone's": 0.16; 'subject:library': 0.16; 'wrongly': 0.16; ':-)': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'written': 0.21; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'right.': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'fighting': 0.31; 'entirely': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; "can't": 0.35; 'tool': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; "he's": 0.36; 'replies': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'sometimes': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'bad': 0.39; 'itself': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'you.': 0.62; 'smith': 0.68; 'quality': 0.72; 'fought': 0.84; 'rusi': 0.91; 'to:none': 0.92; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=zZlIpWyqxwVGI5dwlA/fQjvohfVuOeDLWcaEDK7sSJ8=; b=D9zsSw/eG66XElzA57cpLtjG9SzgQ4zzmodIEB+BY3F5TwedxRpE1O3Tr03f42PgEQ UGNNGUIE8+1/F11WAEP/0uRFMZxSHxZtwKxJBGYDvbX2d952c5gUMU0+MAoDZV4NjVvd nO9d5+D1fzQIsf8QmWdnFyFjj+B39UFQCjFhOpFHg5i7gXrch0wxselz8VmiJQB+iCI9 eFH/VmxRRV+OEA7HaQhNG1lRkeEvBijKNOCIOnc1CMDQIoxXkZfpCzZen6USZmj66x62 Q4X35wpOx3kP3RbyKQ0pUWqKpwW+Fbwjc1opm+5fqOdzXgnEJ7qqOvY9+v1GZIwQTdgI IV9A== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.212.163 with SMTP id nl3mr15898895pbc.25.1386265608574; Thu, 05 Dec 2013 09:46:48 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9b899369-c6c9-44d1-980f-05c32c704e07@googlegroups.com> References: <58d49c5b-c837-4dac-b764-369fea02568c@googlegroups.com> <921295d6-a73f-4379-a938-c5188e35b6bd@googlegroups.com> <219CFE92-92F1-47EB-850C-BDF5024E1F3E@gmail.com> <9b899369-c6c9-44d1-980f-05c32c704e07@googlegroups.com> Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 04:46:48 +1100 Subject: Re: Packaging a proprietary Python library for multiple OSs From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386265618 news.xs4all.nl 2966 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47115 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61101 On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 4:12 AM, Roy Smith wrote: >> It's like an argument my boss and I had: I said that PHP is a bad langua= ge, and >> he said that it can't possibly be a bad language because he's able to >> write good code in it. > > PHP is a disaster of a language. But, like any bad tool, a good craftsma= n can produce a quality product with it. Wikipedia is written in PHP. So,= apparently, is gmane :-) As much as I loathe working with PHP, I have to = admit that if you can build a product like Wikipedia on it, it must have so= me redeeming qualities. Right. And the fact that Wikipedia can be written in PHP is not itself proof that it's a good language. You and Rusi are fighting against GG's faults and not entirely succeeding, as your paragraphs come out unwrapped; that's possibly the least of the GG woes, but it's one of the first clues that someone's replies are likely to be double-spaced. A good tool does most of your work for you. A bad tool has to be fought every inch of the way. Sometimes a tool is good but wrongly chosen (don't use DeScribe Macro Language for writing a GUI - drop to REXX for that!), but some tools have no good use at all. ChrisA