Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.075 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.85; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'executing': 0.05; 'scripting': 0.05; 'coders': 0.07; 'removes': 0.07; 'received:209.85.160.174': 0.09; 'received:mail- gy0-f174.google.com': 0.09; 'silently': 0.09; 'am,': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'subject:versus': 0.16; 'sure,': 0.16; 'subject:] ': 0.16; '(or': 0.22; 'not.': 0.22; 'code': 0.22; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'downloaded': 0.24; 'java': 0.24; 'version': 0.25; 'chris': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; "doesn't": 0.28; 'received:209.85.160': 0.28; 'fri,': 0.29; 'it.': 0.31; 'supposed': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'posts': 0.33; 'player': 0.35; 'convince': 0.35; 'subject:software': 0.35; 'getting': 0.36; 'some': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'execute': 0.38; 'steven': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'less': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'though': 0.38; 'work?': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'could': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'takes': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'virus': 0.61; '2011': 0.62; 'internet': 0.62; 'adobe': 0.64; 'browser': 0.64; 'play': 0.64; 'world': 0.65; 'here': 0.65; 'engine': 0.67; 'virus.': 0.68; 'subject:Free': 0.72; 'flash': 0.84; '"oh,': 0.84; '12:02': 0.84; 'risky': 0.84; 'scare': 0.84; 'viable': 0.84; 'good,': 0.91; 'html5': 0.91; 'risk.': 0.91; 'acrobat': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=c6L2N+LgDvKv2egvZloOvrXJlnepuz4/IDtOoawww5E=; b=phShoTTcoohpl4soQ6pXfPno+MNjkxTUcq7YXJgl/4XjdGGSjnF56vqqLZzhVUR2eY sKL8QK+DbBHoP7oN12Adc6oCMIKBFkOvdpqQudNnQi9wUuvAeQQtRU81XtPjMxWr1/PZ fv7YtNRK77s0FmTTNZdsbCvrkHaBnvID5bNRc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Y9h/OIZGzWvEigNKu5smyKU28C7w1Dk5du1H/47Idz1niEekft35+MWpXAFbmVWCAq 4NqKvppXBoRa1p1q4XUKRmGn0oEiUjwI7x+Cztcssw/S9DxCpb086KhSOB5TiQwaJLm7 kJfLKR2uvEdlBdCIJq/EWdqdAbMPC/ZkeyAsI= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4da6fe5e$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <4d9c5ca5$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87tyebf3r3.fsf_-_@benfinney.id.au> <4d9d6a4a$0$29992$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <6Nknp.10080$lx3.7480@newsfe02.iad> <4d9e6551$0$29991$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da0f1e1$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <4da6fe5e$0$29986$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:11:03 +1000 Subject: Re: [OT] Free software versus software idea patents From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302790272 news.xs4all.nl 41102 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:53953 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3199 On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > Now, if only we could convince web users that having your browser execute > untrusted code downloaded from the Internet is not such a good idea, > supposed sandbox or not. What the world needs is a virus that silently > removes Javascript and Flash from browsers... We don't need a virus. All we need is a few good blog posts and some viable alternatives. Flash may very well start dying as HTML5 takes over; it'll be relegated to in-browser games (some of which are very good, as it happens), and people will use it only if they play those games. Javascript/ECMAScript though is here to stay... I very much doubt anyone's going to abolish or replace it. Sure, executing code downloaded from the internet can be risky; but scripting is a lot less risky than downloading plugins, and there's a LOT of people who will just go "Oh, I need to download something to make this work? Okay. *click*" - now THAT is the real risk. They don't know (or care) whether they're getting Adobe Flash Player version 123, or Acrobat Reader 234, or Java Applet Engine By Bob's Dodgy Coders 345, and if that doesn't scare sysadmins, nothing will. Chris Angelico