Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.029 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'folks': 0.04; 'thread,': 0.04; 'wed,': 0.04; 'ryan': 0.05; 'received:mail- qy0-f174.google.com': 0.07; 'python': 0.07; '*i*': 0.09; 'kelly': 0.09; 'now?': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'wrote:': 0.14; 'already.': 0.16; 'group?': 0.16; "guido's": 0.16; 'people?': 0.16; 'rantingrick': 0.16; 'received:209.85.216.174': 0.16; '"python': 0.16; 'language,': 0.18; 'language': 0.20; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'expect': 0.26; 'guess': 0.26; 'core': 0.28; 'helpful': 0.29; 'nobody': 0.29; 'push': 0.29; 'up.': 0.30; 'yet': 0.30; 'start.': 0.31; 'does': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'source': 0.32; 'thank': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'created': 0.33; 'from:charset:iso-8859-1': 0.33; 'received:192.168.1': 0.34; 'received:192': 0.34; 'post': 0.34; 'leader': 0.35; 'open': 0.35; 'question': 0.35; '-0700,': 0.35; 'received:192.168': 0.37; 'however': 0.37; 'it?': 0.37; 'case': 0.37; 'should': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'though': 0.38; 'help': 0.39; 'much.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'header:Mime-Version:1': 0.39; 'how': 0.39; 'whatever': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; '13,': 0.60; 'here:': 0.61; 'increase': 0.61; 'bring': 0.62; 'making': 0.62; 'groups.': 0.65; 'here.': 0.68; 'online': 0.70; 'dealing': 0.71; 'anything.': 0.72; 'message-id:@localhost.localdomain': 0.74; 'apologize': 0.75; 'funny': 0.77; 'genuine': 0.77; '17:39': 0.84; '19:10': 0.84; 'hanging': 0.84; 'ian,': 0.84; 'punch': 0.84; 'python-dev': 0.84; 'shoulders': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer :content-transfer-encoding; bh=/JAGNVBYCAQYyKClWwc3dJL6baU1aNQyrocRcm+n/Tc=; b=gFpFv3VhudkjmsySjlBXIMsxLRoIZJeADOldXg2wo7guuGVshn7pxEFh9V+Hg9KHt/ MaG0TRcVO7CO1fRrp47Odp4sAqOrII4v52kcuYnoyXRNV4NMDJ6HVejal3DEFBrP2DYw WO4DvcYCu/LgNJrfyV9NoPjOPYIsQwoiAHGl8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:content-type:date:message-id :mime-version:x-mailer:content-transfer-encoding; b=UxXEaOVUWkB9bEs3gx1nkm/EYQRMzgOwbA1Sy3BqbMw3rQwd68uZmNn9CJay2ovKG5 vOCtiQEVYMjpseLrIh3bUEyTnyotRMQAg51z0a1igtfPuc7scFRP+FCqFP9GnXkgS2ee moD1jTnS3CStWu+sK7VNGsMeoM1sSaXoLBdaM= Subject: Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations From: Westley =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDnez?= To: python-list@python.org In-Reply-To: <61be240b-adc6-488e-95d9-d7a1baaf3b7c@l6g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> References: <3b26b458-c69b-4fca-a284-bb23d9e86d42@l30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> <50e0fd63-6f07-4e59-bf50-ecaa6d470056@r4g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <61be240b-adc6-488e-95d9-d7a1baaf3b7c@l6g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 06:40:22 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302788434 news.xs4all.nl 81482 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:35809 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3197 On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 20:26 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > On Apr 13, 10:01 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 19:10 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > > > On Apr 13, 8:29 pm, Ryan Kelly wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2011-04-13 at 17:39 -0700, rantingrick wrote: > [...] > > > Funny you should bring that up. The folks on python-dev are currently > > making a substantial push to increase involvement in python core > > development through the "Python Mentors" program. > > > > Site here: > > [...] > > > So anyone following along this thread, if you're interested in making a > > genuine contribution to python as a language, this is a great time and > > place to start. > > That was a very helpful post Ian, thank you! > > However i have a sneaking suspicion that if i join this group i will > be denied as was the case with other python groups. However the > question remains. Why do we need yet another group? Why can we not use > the comp.lang.python that everyone knows already. Since this is a > group created for noobs, how do you expect them to find out about it? > I have been hanging around for over four years and i did not know > until now. Go figure. The first place people are going to go for > online help is > comp.lang.X for whatever language they are learning. > > And who pissed in Guido's punch bowl anyway? Why is he such an elitist > now? Why can he not come over once and a while and rub shoulders with > the little people? He does not have to hang out every day, just drop > in once a week or month at least. > > I guess i am just old fashioned but i though "benevolent" was a > *positive* moniker. We need to know what kind of leader we are dealing > with here. We deserve that much. And if he is really "benevolent" then > *I* will apologize to both him and the community at whole. Until then > i wait... > > > Nobody has to do anything. This is an open source project.