Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.084 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.83; '*S*': 0.00; 'read.': 0.03; 'abuse': 0.07; 'differently.': 0.09; 'mind,': 0.09; 'translate': 0.10; 'archive': 0.14; '6:52': 0.16; 'choice,': 0.16; 'scalable,': 0.16; 'usable': 0.16; 'why,': 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; "aren't": 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'post': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'received:172.16': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'unix': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'work.': 0.31; 'comments': 0.31; 'lines': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; '(including': 0.33; 'ago': 0.33; 'style': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'hundreds': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'next': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'easily': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'rich': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'read': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'full': 0.61; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'forums': 0.68; 'complex,': 0.84; 'i\x92ve': 0.84; 'subject:Managing': 0.84; 'vulnerable': 0.84; '2013,': 0.91; 'lists:': 0.91; 'luxury': 0.91; 'poorly': 0.93 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=X6If7mMjCJf7ogfQn6IVULKJ+TmZsR2xrnf/mL85pcU=; b=Pd0H/dS5jAL0AxTlQH+POTtqrU02wsy72uKOo6gyg1uwJXkHdMJTqM+pld26BRlFDW 62GJ6HhPvH7qO57RHgdO4nW72FBPVjwNaZLxCZmCbBYpr2b0z3tU0qhgWxf7oao6lJg3 E7V6/XEbHymzPrW2NPrwhf9PE1X85ovzEeSbPQCpaflPCZNogxYFIDKkyC8hLqjyYmYH ETPI1lFzqkEfNIkHpAInHCN5J/KDlooCPES0Qv0wmrLaE5/vj/g5pYV7SGLrhtPTtsp9 c4ymk9BP9giWl6H2GHyENmxKewcYiPGS8OKsxjRSO10nRc+HdYoOxH+SFzuOjwaz7nP8 p4pA== X-Received: by 10.66.180.200 with SMTP id dq8mr83825548pac.104.1386174676362; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 08:31:16 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Subject: Re: Managing Google Groups headaches From: Travis Griggs In-Reply-To: <20131204145223.GA7205@gsp.org> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 08:31:12 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <5f370a06-8d2c-4d7d-bc22-b9a489c15c59@googlegroups.com> <132658ff-d06a-4136-ade6-353189da5769@googlegroups.com> <20131204145223.GA7205@gsp.org> To: python-list@python.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 27 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386174679 news.xs4all.nl 2877 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33398 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61038 On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > Yes, I'm > aware of web forums: I've used hundreds of them. They suck. They ALL > suck, they just all suck differently. I could spend the next several > thousand lines explaining why, but instead I'll just abbreviate: they > don't handle threading, they don't let me use my editor of choice, > they don't let me build my own archive that I can search MY way = including > when I'm offline, they are brittle and highly vulnerable to abuse > and security breaches, they encourage worst practices in writing > style (including top-posting and full-quoting), they translate poorly > to other formats, they are difficult to archive, they're even more > difficult to migrate (whereas Unix mbox format files from 30 years ago > are still perfectly usable today), they aren't standardized, they > aren't easily scalable, they're overly complex, they don't support > proper quoting, they don't support proper attribution, they can't > be easily forwarded, they...oh, it just goes on. My point being that > there's a reason that the IETF and the W3C and NANOG and lots of other > groups that could use anything they want use mailing lists: they work. One of the best rants I=92ve ever read. Full mental harmonic resonance = while I read this. Hope you don=92t mind, but I think I=92ll be = plagiarizing your comments in the future. Maybe I=92ll post it on a = couple of the web forums I currently have the luxury of regularly = hating.=