Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; 'correct.': 0.07; 'executed': 0.07; 'space.': 0.07; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:not': 0.11; 'benjamin': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'subject:class': 0.16; 'subject:default': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'vectors': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'defined': 0.22; "haven't": 0.23; 'idea': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.26; 'plain': 0.27; '(such': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'fixed': 0.28; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; 'piece': 0.29; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.33; 'direction': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'thank': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mark': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'land': 0.62; 'information': 0.63; 'smith': 0.71; 'article': 0.78; '"full': 0.84; 'degrees,': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'captain': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Method default argument whose type is the class not yet defined Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:35:04 +0000 References: <509efbb6$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50a0272d$0$21756$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-22-33.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121026 Thunderbird/16.0.2 In-Reply-To: X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 121111-1, 11/11/2012), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 32 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1352684098 news.xs4all.nl 6901 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56583 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:33163 On 12/11/2012 01:15, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Mark Lawrence wrote: > >> On 12/11/2012 00:31, Oscar Benjamin wrote: >>> >>> Plain wrong. Vectors are not defined *from any origin*. >>> >> >> So when the Captain says "full speed ahead, steer 245 degrees", you >> haven't the faintest idea where you're going, because you have no origin? > > Vectors have a length ("full speed ahead") and a direction ("245 > degrees"). What they don't have is a fixed location in space. The > captain didn't say, "Full speed ahead, steer 245 degrees, from 45.0N, > 20.0W". > > In other words, you are correct. The order, "full speed ahead, steer > 245 degrees", doesn't give you the faintest idea of where you're going. > If you were the helmsman, after you executed that order, without any > additional information (such as your current location), you would have > no idea what piece of land you will hit, or when you will hit it, if you > maintain your current course and speed. > Thank you for your explanation. -- Cheers. Mark Lawrence.