Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.012 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.10; 'subject:not': 0.11; "wouldn't": 0.11; 'steve': 0.13; 'benjamin': 0.16; 'subject:class': 0.16; 'subject:default': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'vectors': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'meant': 0.21; 'supposed': 0.21; 'assuming': 0.22; 'orientation': 0.22; 'defined': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; "haven't": 0.23; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'idea': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'plain': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'origin': 0.29; 'questions.': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'relative': 0.30; 'asking': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'but': 0.36; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mark': 0.38; 'nothing': 0.38; 'system.': 0.39; 'where': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'more': 0.63; '"full': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'to:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.84; 'captain': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=4kC9w2PAkzw7eMzp48Kzs3oeYdDzRIABlJSsP0BP6rE=; b=r5Yn4q0oyxQzS2uYGGxl6Q5AQnpB70gG0sPwl8+8hqH9DT4e3fIs5IwtleuDheBCO5 M/o6Sk1DYR2KgEd9FYgDjDbToqsAt38E/4LWjNjZRlr1zKpzMZnxdwTBuZTVvcLAIcNg 70lSJd//G8Dh7r9BDggH/qelIIqhHs3x9rTNpTsiAoQcliM3PGZUzPPE7DRFrglZ5fPA dqUe5LINHtK53+3DQp4jUfKw4dVe8Gq8Yg36TkGudkscdR3wV3NWlXuLULOHFCpclXtR BZMnynMLp8FjrcOPTPFBImE1ymmg5m7GUAO3jmHQjF+/mPmx4nSxtKvElr9QdZpNXu7u 0UCw== MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <509efbb6$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50a0272d$0$21756$c3e8da3$76491128@news.astraweb.com> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 01:18:16 +0000 Subject: Re: Method default argument whose type is the class not yet defined From: Oscar Benjamin To: Mark Lawrence Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1352683098 news.xs4all.nl 6864 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:48339 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:33160 On 12 November 2012 01:10, Mark Lawrence wrote: > On 12/11/2012 00:31, Oscar Benjamin wrote: >> >> >> Plain wrong. Vectors are not defined *from any origin*. >> > > So when the Captain says "full speed ahead, steer 245 degrees", you haven't > the faintest idea where you're going, because you have no origin? As Steve has just explained, the origin has nothing to do with the orientation of the coordinate system. But then I'm assuming you meant that 245 degrees was a bearing relative to North. Was it supposed to be relative to my current angle? Truthfully I wouldn't know what to do without asking the captain a couple more questions. Oscar