Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'anyway.': 0.05; 'deployed': 0.07; 'nicely': 0.07; 'differently.': 0.09; 'enormous': 0.09; "they've": 0.09; 'mailman': 0.10; 'cc:addr :python-list': 0.11; 'agree.': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'newsgroups': 0.16; 'remain,': 0.16; 'umpteen': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'thu,': 0.19; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'this:': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'that.': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'another': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'standards': 0.33; 'something': 0.35; 'hundreds': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'smtp': 0.36; 'effort': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'rich': 0.38; 'mailing': 0.39; 'easy': 0.60; 'hope': 0.61; 'forum': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'costs': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'emails,': 0.69; 'internet': 0.71; 'online': 0.71; 'power': 0.76; 'replicate': 0.84; 'standards.': 0.84; 'subject:Managing': 0.84; 'absolutely': 0.87; 'to:none': 0.92; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:cc :content-type; bh=JExbioKOq8nzL04CPuo2CRhlBEfO+Bz+QDidjqUqnw0=; b=g2BCdYT03tNgRXKbKVPcgoNNbRQ43WEyRYEJFPMQjuwXa8UXtGp2fVMHceeAZX+ygr rhYdBdTmGZSTYOQqBuOMIyxoFhoDgFWyPKfxF/ybMhmIeafemRIbbZMBbI2tL+66r2Q9 yz3vGvs14hJQoWQAgLaZHJXlfFHNWiK90mFdMH7RAbQyiEonueCoSWvbuMOiG/1k+zpQ 0dZcBNYobQXB3WYakDHJIa6lR5oH1GWgDg5RbYXZbvGmWYePn80oanBfNu5zNKw7wwPS WMwZuPX1xhhgO6fZqC/F1tDDYK362mcUxR0fAE10r5bpypoYvcbxIEvjGt1CNJt3hmdC P5RA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.111.33 with SMTP id if1mr46337671pbb.31.1386171982449; Wed, 04 Dec 2013 07:46:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131204145223.GA7205@gsp.org> References: <5f370a06-8d2c-4d7d-bc22-b9a489c15c59@googlegroups.com> <132658ff-d06a-4136-ade6-353189da5769@googlegroups.com> <20131204145223.GA7205@gsp.org> Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 02:46:22 +1100 Subject: Re: Managing Google Groups headaches From: Chris Angelico Cc: "python-list@python.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 20 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386171985 news.xs4all.nl 2860 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59063 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61027 On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 1:52 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > Mailing lists/Usenet newsgroups remain, as they've been for a very > long time, the solutions of choice for online discussions. Yes, I'm > aware of web forums: I've used hundreds of them. They suck. They ALL > suck, they just all suck differently. I absolutely agree. And Mailman lists are both easy and powerful - I've deployed a number of them and subscribed to many MANY more - and play nicely with other internet standards. Instead of having to remember to check umpteen web-based forums, I just check my emails, which I do constantly anyway. Adding another mailing list costs me nothing; adding another forum costs me quite a bit of time. Ultimately it comes down to this: It would take an enormous amount of effort for something else to replicate the power of SMTP and/or NNTP, ergo nothing has achieved that. The open standards mean there are myriad clients available, and no new protocol or system can ever hope to compete with that. ChrisA