Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'alternatives': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'someone,': 0.09; 'language.': 0.14; 'exist.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.20; '>>>': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; "doesn't": 0.30; 'convenience': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'but': 0.35; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'quote': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'free': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'purchase': 0.65; 'incentives': 0.84; 'subject:Managing': 0.84; 'delivery,': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2013 15:21:29 +0000 References: <5f370a06-8d2c-4d7d-bc22-b9a489c15c59@googlegroups.com> <834d2e9d-2fb2-4401-82fe-dbe161d6d362@googlegroups.com> <529d848b$0$11113$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-179-74.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386170509 news.xs4all.nl 2833 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:52332 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61025 On 04/12/2013 14:34, Neil Cerutti wrote: > On 2013-12-04, alex23 wrote: >> On 3/12/2013 5:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> You poor fools you, this is what happens when you give control >>> of the tools you use to a (near) monopolist whose incentives >>> are not your incentives. >> >> To paraphrase Franklin: those who would give up control to >> purchase convenience deserve neither. A lesson hard learned :( > > But Franklin's quote doesn't apply when free alternatives exist. Free at the point of delivery, someone, somewhere, has given blood, toil, tears and sweat. -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence