Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.011 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.04; 'alternatives': 0.09; 'moreover,': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'exist.': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'zero,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.20; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'switch': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'easier': 0.31; 'convenience': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'more,': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'quote': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'free': 0.61; 'more': 0.64; 'purchase': 0.65; 'incentives': 0.84; 'subject:Managing': 0.84; 'state.': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Neil Cerutti Subject: Re: [OT] Managing Google Groups headaches Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 14:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Norwich University References: <5f370a06-8d2c-4d7d-bc22-b9a489c15c59@googlegroups.com> <834d2e9d-2fb2-4401-82fe-dbe161d6d362@googlegroups.com> <529d848b$0$11113$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jackman.norwich.edu User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1/mm/ao (Win32) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386167712 news.xs4all.nl 2943 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:42255 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:61022 On 2013-12-04, alex23 wrote: > On 3/12/2013 5:13 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> You poor fools you, this is what happens when you give control >> of the tools you use to a (near) monopolist whose incentives >> are not your incentives. > > To paraphrase Franklin: those who would give up control to > purchase convenience deserve neither. A lesson hard learned :( But Franklin's quote doesn't apply when free alternatives exist. I can use a non-open email system until I don't want to any more, and switch out when it no longer please me. The cost of switching isn't zero, but it's much easier than emmigrating from a police state. Moreover, I'll always feel that I deserve more than I actually do deserve. -- Neil Cerutti