Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news.albasani.net!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'suppose': 0.07; 'missed': 0.09; 'models.': 0.09; 'terry': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; '(but': 0.15; 'passing': 0.15; '1:09': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:ideas': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'idea': 0.24; 'cc:2**1': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'andrew': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; 'kay': 0.29; "i'm": 0.29; 'point': 0.31; 'could': 0.32; 'received:74.125.82': 0.33; "can't": 0.34; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:74.125': 0.36; 'cc:no real name:2**1': 0.36; 'programmers': 0.36; 'method': 0.36; 'mark': 0.38; 'subject:-': 0.40; 'strange': 0.62; 'different': 0.63; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; '2013': 0.84; 'different.': 0.84; 'obvious,': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kokP3/J2raaeH1J88L0JwvnnsvNKi71zQ/JpVtFiAZw=; b=IPGiqRlPn0PifeDb7NLJjPePMLJStwl0d94cj/MVPEBDx0j4Z5Br62i64/BF3toKT7 SZ19zLcCTZ2vvMV8J6eVxY8oMswFQreaMwZR3VOjSvjRRGRJkiNANWEECt0VP/kMy1+S QFoDimogNsGjpFSKNfb/a0ZVsqcwcLY0W36XyTqzV7/TJKULhQVUJIF5t9RMir08SDCF hSmyxbY6AKytycbKjpcp/X1JRn3iezkxUK+PX9a9/TRippQq54nQXhXpSIPtvrnn5IdU WFBEfq7IecYC3nZuxxhSuKb0odZGZ8PZjJIzk682udvNNmZSH+SOsoUOIx1n1kqj4/r3 xA/Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.120.169 with SMTP id ld9mr7759368wjb.24.1363753488908; Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:24:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5146B848.3040509@pearwood.info> <1363643500.25746.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1363663891.8351.YahooMailNeo@web184701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 21:24:48 -0700 Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Message passing syntax for objects From: Mark Janssen To: Terry Reedy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org, python-ideas@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 16 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1363753495 news.xs4all.nl 6856 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39784 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:41563 On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 3/18/2013 11:31 PM, Andrew Barnert wrote: > >> The idea that message passing is fundamentally different from method >> calling also turned out to be one of those strange ideas, since it >> only took a couple years to prove that they are theoretically >> completely isomorphic=97and, > > Since the isomorphism is so obvious, I somehow missed that Kay actually > thought that they were different. I suppose one could have different (but > isomorphic) mental image models. Yes, that's the point I'm making, and it's significant because other programmers can't see other's mental models. mark