Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Michael Selik Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: [beginner] What's wrong? Date: Sat, 02 Apr 2016 05:36:13 +0000 Lines: 33 Message-ID: References: <99234e90-fcd4-4a05-b97f-b47228dde20c@googlegroups.com> <1459571270.714249.566352882.6ADCD0CC@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de gkD1G6fbR7Ruj83siF6GdgrEgyBKPQCxG28EkaXh+Xzg== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.031 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'subject:: [': 0.03; 'folks': 0.15; 'subsequent': 0.15; '999': 0.16; 'astronomical': 0.16; 'numbering': 0.16; 'opposite': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'subject:beginner': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'integer': 0.18; '>': 0.18; 'subject:] ': 0.19; 'to:2**1': 0.21; 'saying': 0.22; 'defined': 0.23; 'sat,': 0.23; 'long,': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'earlier': 0.27; 'define': 0.27; 'fri,': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; '17th': 0.29; 'era': 0.29; 'long.': 0.29; 'starts': 0.29; 'system,': 0.30; 'michael': 0.33; 'rule': 0.33; "i'll": 0.33; 'skip:& 20': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'trouble': 0.35; 'supports': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.36; '(and': 0.36; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:?': 0.36; 'being': 0.37; 'skip:& 10': 0.37; 'thanks': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.38; 'someone': 0.38; 'means': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'rather': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'where': 0.40; 'some': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; '2000': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'country.': 0.67; '2001.': 0.84; 'humans': 0.84; 'millennium': 0.84; "they'd": 0.84; 'forgotten': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=r4YT6HfzQ2RfcP+fAvlhcpmJSGKeFrciiRn+nhG8QrI=; b=UKAlEntwHXhk/pd2/KrlMcTE+N7/N/FOkua/H/1JGid+3JH0EER5kN5fnVcZ7g29yb hxA63px1vbMU65mWMTId/M9PRyBxhJ18POCHqT5bJkhQ7G2LPeAILAkKEX7SXRJsQOqd Y/iUexS3VqslhQcMuWCYQUbfWFv3ZsSpLr2EpQNVR4IpHjbp/uSpfuu9yDlRd35lkGKG 4uIIVV+8c7uPLNss/3bNHg0tRWrnUW6GZqX+u8E6WZh10tDfKZtaDAmcQYZbJcRB/GrD Ol5b2zfV+ZJCgkZSSk+83HlKnFeqjpys2ZMKo6rGGOZ/LMgj8/OWbnPs0t6cdk/P2W2D 0jUw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=r4YT6HfzQ2RfcP+fAvlhcpmJSGKeFrciiRn+nhG8QrI=; b=XYAoap7T9qjCNsI2V2w2fPE2IZKM7rXSONlKXBfVG1ehfKmnbmstUU30BHjDo6LUTs IeRnvzeMsjjCIRmgBr1NSdYWA1kYW3Chr/z+CJyjMXAmnKO/pyNWR35UIf/e6IsazjO9 +7y59/CDYvcbaJi5jjLsKrssfV3ycIAUwq0OD8Pkd9BYB3rm1LCUoFqc9857+RYAhTyC nJEBw15X0lu8bC2YGXeJfiF503ROi2PgAGRgMC/bkemkRUP31fX3ZdsLhDcqh6VlLj7L mL1IcJSlBRrcOLJSlPvuZB/03/shfrFwCp/RNmj3wq1kGV7S6X4p34UdM81A7veBB7LA JpHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLMSs/IwEQH04U0jgy8JWdE0zDVIUnwB5CyGFiuoh2xxelHoBqp8VDpobzOeOedTKUWyFScBvWyJWo1Bw== X-Received: by 10.140.106.228 with SMTP id e91mr10783172qgf.75.1459575382715; Fri, 01 Apr 2016 22:36:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1459571270.714249.566352882.6ADCD0CC@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.21 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:106273 On Sat, Apr 2, 2016, 12:28 AM Random832 wrote: > On Fri, Apr 1, 2016, at 19:29, Michael Selik wrote: > > Humans have always had trouble with this, in many contexts. I remember > > being annoyed at folks saying the year 2000 was the first year of the new > > millennium, rather than 2001. They'd forgotten the Gregorian calendar > > starts from AD 1. > > Naturally, this means the first millennium was only 999 years long, and > all subsequent millennia were 1000 years long. (Whereas "millennium" is > defined as the set of all years of a given era for a given integer k > where y // 1000 == k. How else would you define it?) > > And if you want to get technical, the gregorian calendar starts from > some year no earlier than 1582, depending on the country. The year > numbering system has little to do with the calendar type - your > assertion in fact regards the BC/AD year numbering system, which was > invented by Bede. > > The astronomical year-numbering system, which does contain a year zero > (and uses negative numbers rather than a reverse-numbered "BC" era), and > is incidentally used by ISO 8601, was invented by Jacques Cassini in the > 17th century. > > > > Rule #1 of being pedantic: There's always someone more pedantic than > you, whose pedantry supports the opposite conclusion. > I'll have to remember that one. And thanks for the facts. >