Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!feed.xsnews.nl!border-3.ams.xsnews.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.077 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.85; '*S*': 0.00; 'python': 0.08; 'general.': 0.16; 'is;': 0.16; 'mutated': 0.16; 'received:192.168.0.11': 0.16; 'subject:syntax': 0.16; 'unpacking': 0.16; 'examples': 0.16; 'language': 0.17; 'not.': 0.28; 'repeatedly': 0.28; 'received :mail-bw0-f46.google.com': 0.30; 'tail': 0.30; 'quite': 0.32; 'does': 0.32; 'represents': 0.32; 'words,': 0.32; 'received:209.85.214': 0.32; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'things': 0.34; 'question': 0.36; 'for?': 0.37; 'sequence': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'received:192': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'think': 0.37; 'received:192.168.0': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'represent': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'more': 0.61; 'design': 0.61; 'your': 0.61; 'our': 0.64; 'anything.': 0.71; 'seldom': 0.84 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=eEfQYQej+zvTvEHiDll2/F/lBB9jqJT/+YpLHhT22IE=; b=W9zdeNxYSgonTN25YbAZzoRzUB/1+2wGaa7nmEo/nO4Q7CQjjxYmOKilDyk5dnmh3y jY7qKOKgEWfTZYt6ikH6Yxj5mtjg8yILRZidKXFtry3P/i0ZYaqQ/DdNeGRasp5Xo9+x NvbYNxGxiWJG9szt9Dl7wRdjAQ37XOCNPmVqM= Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:12:22 +0100 From: Eelco Hoogendoorn User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Verbose and flexible args and kwargs syntax Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1323681145 news.xs4all.nl 6933 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:44789 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:17025 > The above examples are seldom needed in Python because we have one > general method to repeatedly split a sequence into head and tail. > it = iter(iterable) # 'it' now represents the sequenced iterable > head = next(it) # 'it' now represents the tail after removing the head > In other words, next(it) encompasses all of your examples and many more. > Because 'it' is mutated to represent the tail, it does not need to be > rebound and therefore is not. The question in language design is never 'could we do these things before'. The answer is obvious: yes our CPUs are turing complete; we can do anything. The question is; how would we like to do them? So do you think the new head/tail unpacking features in python 3 are entirely uncalled for? I personally quite like them, but I would like them to be more general.