Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.001 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject: -- ': 0.07; 'ascii': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; 'goal,': 0.16; 'pythonistas': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'subject: \n ': 0.16; 'subject:Jobs': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'subject:handling': 0.16; 'files.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; 'commit': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject:Code': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'cool': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'themselves': 0.32; 'plain': 0.33; 'version': 0.36; 'achieving': 0.36; 'interact': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'detail': 0.37; 'subject:]': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'everybody': 0.60; 'making': 0.63; 'our': 0.64; 'believe': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'default': 0.69; '"just': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs [was Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly] Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 12:14:52 +0000 References: <529934dc$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <23ee5279-bdfd-4fb0-b535-042f7c3bab23@googlegroups.com> <529CFAE3.1070707@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-20-135.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 21 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386072906 news.xs4all.nl 15961 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:38399 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60927 On 03/12/2013 04:32, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2013-12-03, Roy Smith wrote: > >> "I believe that Pythonistas should commit themselves to achieving the >> goal, before this decade is out, of making Python 3 the default version >> and having everybody be cool with unicode." > > I'm cool with Unicode as long as it "just works" without me ever > having to understand it and I can interact effortlessly with plain old > ASCII files. Evertime I start to read anything about Unicode with any > technical detail at all, I start to get dizzy and bleed from the ears. > I'm pleased to see that I'm not the only one who suffers in this way :) -- My fellow Pythonistas, ask not what our language can do for you, ask what you can do for our language. Mark Lawrence