Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'test,': 0.05; 'arguments': 0.07; 'exist,': 0.07; 'interpreter.': 0.07; '0.1': 0.09; 'explanation': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'thrown': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python- list': 0.10; 'times,': 0.13; 'alpha': 0.15; '...,': 0.16; 'behaviour.': 0.16; 'claims,': 0.16; 'experimented': 0.16; 'forth.': 0.16; 'gave.': 0.16; 'least,': 0.16; 'resort': 0.16; 'say.': 0.16; 'subject:3.3': 0.16; 'thread?': 0.16; 'string': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'pointed': 0.17; 'tests': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'windows': 0.19; 'bit': 0.21; 'os,': 0.22; 'cc:2**0': 0.23; "i've": 0.23; 'random': 0.24; 'cc:no real name:2**0': 0.24; 'idea': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; 'developers': 0.26; 'coding': 0.27; 'core': 0.27; 'mind.': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'noticed': 0.28; '8bit%:5': 0.29; 'probably': 0.29; 'messages,': 0.33; '(with': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'done': 0.34; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'except': 0.36; 'anything': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'test': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'skip:4 10': 0.37; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'throughout': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'far': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'mark': 0.38; 'supports': 0.38; 'shows': 0.38; 'several': 0.39; 'release': 0.39; 'short': 0.39; 'little': 0.39; 'end': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'from:no real name:2**0': 0.60; 'range': 0.60; 'most': 0.61; "you've": 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'more.': 0.62; 'back': 0.62; 'dead': 0.62; 'details': 0.63; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'more': 0.63; 'here': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'due': 0.66; 'user,': 0.69; 'attention': 0.75; '100': 0.78; '1st': 0.81; 'maybe,': 0.84; 'suspected': 0.84; 'refuse': 0.93; 'spoke': 0.93; 'factors': 0.95 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 09:19:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=83.79.89.25; posting-account=ung4FAoAAAC46zhHJ0Nsnuox7M5gDvs_ References: <4c62a649-bc21-4e47-9c0f-acb1b1e70e36@googlegroups.com> <5030891f$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <5030aa44$0$29978$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <11931ec9-1858-4ae8-8a61-1d154d105229@googlegroups.com> <73c85f3b-a4a9-4812-bc41-132b5126874c@googlegroups.com> <1f22cebc-71aa-4881-bac5-d97d72fe2633@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true X-Google-IP: 83.79.89.25 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: New internal string format in 3.3 From: wxjmfauth@gmail.com To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: python-list@python.org X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 116 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1345393173 news.xs4all.nl 6894 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34352 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:27396 Le dimanche 19 ao=FBt 2012 16:48:48 UTC+2, Mark Lawrence a =E9crit=A0: > On 19/08/2012 15:09, wxjmfauth@gmail.com wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > > I can not give you more numbers than those I gave. >=20 > > As a end user, I noticed and experimented my random tests >=20 > > are always slower in Py3.3 than in Py3.2 on my Windows platform. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Once again you refuse to supply anything to back up what you say. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > > It is up to you, the core developers to give an explanation >=20 > > about this behaviour. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Core developers cannot give an explanation for something that doesn't=20 >=20 > exist, except in your imagination. Unless you can produce the evidence= =20 >=20 > that supports your claims, including details of OS, benchmarks used and= =20 >=20 > so on and so forth. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > >=20 > > As I understand a little bit the coding of the characters, >=20 > > I pointed out, this is most probably due to this flexible >=20 > > string representation (with arguments appearing randomly >=20 > > in the misc. messages, mainly latin-1). >=20 > > >=20 > > I can not do more. >=20 > > >=20 > > (I stupidly spoke about factors 0.1 to ..., you should >=20 > > read of course, 1.1, to ...) >=20 > > >=20 > > jmf >=20 > > >=20 >=20 >=20 > I suspect that I'll be dead and buried long before you can produce=20 >=20 > anything concrete in the way of evidence. I've thrown down the gauntlet= =20 >=20 > several times, do you now have the courage to pick it up, or are you=20 >=20 > going to resort to the FUD approach that you've been using throughout=20 >=20 > this thread? >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Cheers. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Mark Lawrence. I do not remember the tests I'have done at the 1st alpha release time. It was with an interactive interpreter. I precisely pay attention to test these chars you can find in the range 128..256 in all 8-bits coding schemes. Chars I suspected to be problematic. Here a short test again, a random single test, the first idea coming in my mind. Py 3.2.3 >>> timeit.timeit("('a=9C=80'*100).replace('a', '=9C=80=E9')") 4.99396356635981 Py 3.3b2 >>> timeit.timeit("('a=9C=80'*100).replace('a', '=9C=80=E9')") 7.560455708007855 Maybe, not so demonstative. It shows at least, we are far away from the 10-30% "annouced". >>> 7.56 / 5 1.512 >>> 5 / (7.56 - 5) * 100 195.31250000000003 jmf