Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1a.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.561 X-Spam-Level: ***** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.09; '*S*': 0.21; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'subject:gui': 0.16; 'work"': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'him.': 0.24; 'right.': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'you?': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'front': 0.32; 'maybe': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'even': 0.60; 'is.': 0.60; 'wife': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'son': 0.61; 'no.': 0.61; 'email addr:gmail.com': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'subject:The': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'vehicle': 0.68; 'car': 0.72; 'funny': 0.74; 'listening': 0.74; '"it': 0.84; 'actually,': 0.84; 'drive.': 0.84; 'noise,': 0.84; 'refuses': 0.84; 'rear': 0.91; 'from.': 0.93 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2015 21:35:38 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: The idle gui References: <0d3d1ec0-d112-42fc-aeed-fb6674d2ee1b@googlegroups.com> <55038dba$0$12990$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: <55038dba$0$12990$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:ytJe3ji2b5OIMd5vSvVklGAjY6qYAVYKjb+9pZ+NLKvgxXGj9A3 3VBrkbX3m/tG7/dIy1GCmCOyVXUZnnik3rWTzK2fcr5Q9OMrylHri2HZfq141K0CssOJZGD pVxeJLOUmGojJskp4/SnbMvRKm4VWsCZhh2Y/axgI6JHIqQlD7GZcoVYTyjU5j+J5k7yH2t OyZJdU4uSeFCgY7VlcF1A== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 14 Mar 2015 10:52:13 +0100 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 24 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1426326734 news.xs4all.nl 2964 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:37628 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:87416 On 03/13/2015 09:24 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > sohcahtoa82@gmail.com wrote: > > >> We need more information than just "It doesn't work". You wouldn't go to >> a car mechanic and say "It makes a funny noise", would you? No. > > Actually, most likely yes.It's remarkably hard to describe noises, and often > difficult to pin-point where they come from. My wife and I can sit in the > same car, listening to the same noise, and she swears it is coming from the > front left and I'm sure its coming from the rear right. (Invariably she's > correct.) > > But at least the car mechanic can jump in the car and take it for a drive. > Not if you don't take it to him. If you just call him on the phone, and say "Jimmy doesn't work" he doesn't even know what make and model the vehicle is. Or whether it's even a car. Maybe "it" is a son who refuses to get a job. -- DaveA