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From: Terry Reedy <tjreedy@udel.edu>
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Subject: Re: Resources/pointers for writing maintable, testable Python
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On 5/19/2016 11:33 AM, Mike Driscoll wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 18, 2016 at 4:48:28 PM UTC-5, Andrew Farrell wrote:
>> Hi Jacob,
>>
>> You are probably looking for the book Test-Driven Development with Python
>> <http://chimera.labs.oreilly.com/books/1234000000754/index.html>.

Electronic version is free online.

> I was under the impression that this book is primarily aimed at Python/Django web testing. I saw

It is.  However, the first four chapters cover the general principles of 
TDD, so one can read them while thinking of web development as just an 
illustrative example.

In my case, I learned better how to test IDLE from a user perspective. 
For tkinter apps, an external program such as Selenium is not needed. 
Tk/tkinter have the simulated event generation and introspection needed 
to simulate a user hitting keys, clicking mouse buttons, and reading the 
screen.

-- 
Terry Jan Reedy