Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'mrab': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'permitted': 0.07; 'referring': 0.07; 'bytes,': 0.09; 'bytes.': 0.09; 'interpreted': 0.09; 'lines.': 0.09; 'wrote': 0.14; '16-bit': 0.16; '8-bit': 0.16; '8088': 0.16; 'bits.': 0.16; 'bus.': 0.16; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:python': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'interpreter,': 0.16; 'itself,': 0.16; 'language)': 0.16; 'likewise': 0.16; 'message-id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; "pc's": 0.16; 'processor,': 0.16; 'processors': 0.16; 'received:192.168.1.4': 0.16; 'received:84.93': 0.16; 'received:84.93.230': 0.16; 'space).': 0.16; 'time).': 0.16; 'words.': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; '(in': 0.22; 'manual': 0.22; 'header :User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'byte': 0.24; 'bytes': 0.24; 'processor': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'switch': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'generally': 0.29; 'dec': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'compatible': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'says': 0.33; 'addresses': 0.33; 'bus': 0.33; 'could': 0.34; 'basic': 0.35; 'received:84': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'ibm': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'ability': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'dave': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'address': 0.63; 'term': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'taking': 0.65; 'believe': 0.68; 'home': 0.69; 'fact,': 0.69; 'therefore': 0.72; 'distinguish': 0.84; 'subject:Practices': 0.84; '8bit': 0.91; 'angel': 0.91 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ZuBjKrLG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:117 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:17 a=0Bzu9jTXAAAA:8 a=mlFM_a_ONtUA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=jRng_6IObAYfklKpnMwA:9 a=Wylh7P-Tp8LChl8F:21 a=3abI3vN66-ZsF5WM:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-AUTH: mrabarnett@:2500 Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 12:38:54 +0000 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python Worst Practices References: <7053A277-9687-49B0-9FDB-CB4DB3E76DEC@gmail.com> <54F0E38D.40006@davea.name> <54f274bb$0$13011$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <54F3C3FF.3040608@mrabarnett.plus.com> <54F3EBF5.3030701@davea.name> In-Reply-To: <54F3EBF5.3030701@davea.name> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.19 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 40 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1425299940 news.xs4all.nl 2969 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:58464 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:86730 On 2015-03-02 04:49, Dave Angel wrote: > On 03/01/2015 08:59 PM, MRAB wrote: >> On 2015-03-02 01:37, Dennis Lee Bieber wrote >>> >>> You'd be able to run it on a TI99/4 (in which the BASIC interpreter, >>> itself, was run on an interpreter... nothing like taking the first >>> "16-bit" >>> home computer and shackling it with an interpreted language that was >>> run on >>> an interpreted language) >>> >> The "16-bit" CPU had a 16-bit address bus (64K address space). If you >> were going to switch from an 8-bit processor to a 16-bit processor, one >> of the pluses you'd be looking for would the ability to directly >> address more than 64K. >> > > The 16 bit address bus permitted addressing of 64k words. On most > processors, that was 64k bytes, though I know one Harris had no bytes, > but every memory access was 16 bits. It therefore had the equivalent of > 128k bytes. Likewise I believe some of the DEC and DG minis had 128k > bytes of addressability. > I have (or had, not sure where it is!) a manual of the TMS9900 processor, and I'm sure it addresses 64k _bytes_. Wikipedia says "65,536 bytes or 32,768 words". > Usually, the term 8bit processor was referring to the size of the > register(s), not the address bus. All the 8 bit micro-processors had 16 > bit address buses. In fact, 4 bit processors generally had 12 to 16 bit > address buses as well. So a 4 bit processor with a 16 bit address bus > could address 32k bytes, a half byte (a nybble) at a time). > > The IBM PC's 8088 had an 8 bit data-bus and 20 address lines. But they > called it a 16bit processor, to try to distinguish it from 8 bit > processors like the 8080. Anyway, it was code compatible with the 8086, > which really did have a 16bit data bus and 20 bit address bus. >