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On 02/04/2013 10:43, Mark Lawrence wrote:
> On 02/04/2013 10:24, jmfauth wrote:
>> On 2 avr, 10:35, Steven D'Aprano <steve
>> +comp.lang.pyt...@pearwood.info> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 02 Apr 2013 19:03:17 +1100, Chris Angelico wrote:
>>>
>>> So what? Who cares if it takes 0.00002 second to insert a character
>>> instead of 0.00001 second? That's still a hundred times faster than you
>>> can type.
>>>
>> ---------
>>
>> This not the problem. The interesting point is that they
>> are good and "less good" Unicode implementations.
>>
>> jmf
>>
>
> The interesting point is that the Python 3.3 unicode implementation is 
> correct, that of most other languages is buggy. Or have I fallen 
> victim to the vicious propaganda of the various Pythonistas who 
> frequent this list?
>
Mark,

Thanks for asking this question.

It seems to me that jmf *might* be moving towards a vindicated 
position.  There is some interest now in duplicating, understanding and 
(hopefully!) extending his test results, which can only be a Good Thing 
- whatever the outcome and wherever the facepalm might land.

However, as you rightly point out, there is only value in following this 
through if the functionality is (at least near) 100% correct. I am sure 
there are some that will disagree but in most cases, functionality is 
the primary requirement and poor performance can be managed initially 
and fixed in due time.

Steve