Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!feeder2.ecngs.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.146 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.71; '*S*': 0.00; 'mailman.': 0.03; 'abuse': 0.07; 'nntp': 0.09; 'rarely': 0.16; 'to:name:python list': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '+0000': 0.22; 'gateway': 0.24; 'header': 0.24; 'mon,': 0.24; 'server.': 0.24; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply- To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'about.': 0.31; 'accidentally': 0.31; 'reply-to': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'problem.': 0.35; 'done.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'replies': 0.36; 'list': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'button': 0.38; 'skip:o 20': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'simple': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'happen': 0.63; 'chance': 0.65; 'talking': 0.65; 'reply': 0.66; 'anyone.': 0.74; 'here)': 0.84; 'oscar': 0.84; 'edwards': 0.91; 'subject:Don': 0.91; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=LsrARIeG+RHusZbd2lwYNlmb235EY6Vvg7rWrEVceTI=; b=baU0MYgXLDESilxMUGGu+NyIdfj078H+2ibveDbDYBqzr4rQZGGqCVLeNId/StK/++ lgufYTKntQq05/P/9wTKxnoMV5COqBMnU945Ilj6+lVZOZRnOrYbp11375Iix1TOQQaj EgXcvQSjBTu/WBTUNo3NpUBV9EphB+iihy+KZ9Ht5QmRkLaDUfnPGPyWB8RHYuuNULKg oqQi12FOii4kC4h0E5hAHvh1ep88kDEXyI8+3b9yjl44g5fBYA3j1l1NuKIGqfergp1Z 6+8NgtCFpNZJQX1aJXhV+YBZPg5bPqM5q62sLMjXeKMYuyPdapilWcG1bVRK0r2dEkcj Oi2g== X-Received: by 10.52.165.48 with SMTP id yv16mr531363vdb.54.1371490987333; Mon, 17 Jun 2013 10:43:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20130617123548.47281099@imp> References: <7wfvwkcihf.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <20130615020957.GA72426@cskk.homeip.net> <7w61xfa9y8.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <51bc8af2$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20130617123548.47281099@imp> From: Oscar Benjamin Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:42:47 +0100 Subject: Re: Don't feed the troll... To: Python List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 22 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1371490989 news.xs4all.nl 15939 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:33380 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:48544 On 17 June 2013 17:35, D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote: > On Mon, 17 Jun 2013 14:39:56 +0000 (UTC) > Grant Edwards wrote: >> I don't want _any_ copies from from Mailman. I don't subscribe to >> whatever mailing list you're talking about. I'm reading this via an >> NNTP server. Keep replies in the group or on the list. > > And that is part of the problem. I have always argued that gatewaying > the mailing list to newgroups is wrong. If this was only a mailing > list there are many things we could do to reduce abuse but because of > the gateway they can't be done. There is a very simple solution used by many mailing lists which is to set the Reply-To header to point back to the mailing list. That way any old email client on any OS/computer/phone/website etc. has the required button to reply to the list without CCing anyone. It also reduces the chance of accidentally replying off-list. Anyone who wants to reply off-list or to deliberately CC someone (as I did here) can still do so but it will rarely happen accidentally. Oscar