Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.034 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'extent': 0.07; 'parties.': 0.07; 'feasible.': 0.09; 'indication': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'finney': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'resist': 0.16; 'subject:Jobs': 0.16; 'rules': 0.22; 'header:User- Agent:1': 0.23; 'subject:Code': 0.24; 'regardless': 0.24; 'shown': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'charged': 0.30; 'strongly': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'continues': 0.31; 'volunteers': 0.31; 'writes:': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'this.': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'whom': 0.33; 'actual': 0.34; 'conduct': 0.36; 'like,': 0.36; 'surely': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'application': 0.37; 'basis.': 0.38; 'ben': 0.38; 'others.': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'expect': 0.39; "couldn't": 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'above,': 0.60; 'forum': 0.61; 'such': 0.63; 'choose': 0.64; 'our': 0.64; 'pick': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; 'response.': 0.68; 'actions.': 0.84; 'perceive': 0.84; 'toned': 0.84; 'acknowledge': 0.93; 'justice': 0.93; 'treatment': 0.95 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ben Finney Subject: Re: Code of Conduct, Trolls, and Thankless Jobs Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 10:11:41 +1100 References: <529934dc$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <23ee5279-bdfd-4fb0-b535-042f7c3bab23@googlegroups.com> <529CFAE3.1070707@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rasputin.madmonks.org X-Public-Key-ID: 0xAC128405 X-Public-Key-Fingerprint: 517C F14B B2F3 98B0 CB35 4855 B8B2 4C06 AC12 8405 X-Public-Key-URL: http://www.benfinney.id.au/contact/bfinney-gpg.asc X-Post-From: Ben Finney User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+tsle2Ixq+Ze+ColP+OZdkvZFa4= X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386025927 news.xs4all.nl 15944 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46949 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60899 Mark Lawrence writes: > […] the hypocrisy that continues to be shown gets right up both of my > nostrils, hence I couldn't resist the above, greatly toned down > response. This will surely give an indication of how strongly I feel > on issues such as this. Rules are rules to be applied evenly, not on a > pick and choose basis. This forum doesn't have authorised moderators, and we don't have a body of state employees charged with meting out justice evenly to all parties. If you perceive uneven application of our code of conduct, that will go a long way to explaining it. What we do have is a community of volunteers whom we expect to both uphold the code of conduct and self-apply it to the extent feasible. This works only if we acknowledge both that we are human and will be inconsistent and make errors, and conversely that what we *intend* to do matters less than the actual and potential effects of our actions. Anyone who feels compelled to be vitriolic here needs to find a way to stop it, regardless how they perceive the treatment of others. We all need each other's efforts to keep this community healthy. -- \ “I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, and I | `\ like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.” —Bilbo | _o__) Baggins | Ben Finney