Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.004 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'say,': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject: -- ': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'agrees': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'psf': 0.10; '*this*': 0.16; '10:45': 0.16; 'agree.': 0.16; 'btw:': 0.16; 'complained': 0.16; 'continual': 0.16; 'mark,': 0.16; 'posters': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'reedy': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'subject:handling': 0.16; 'thread,': 0.16; 'worst': 0.16; 'year)': 0.16; 'applies': 0.16; 'demonstrate': 0.16; 'fix': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'all,': 0.19; '(the': 0.22; '>>>': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'text.': 0.24; 'fairly': 0.24; 'developers': 0.25; 'posts': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'feature': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'work.': 0.31; 'code': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'comments,': 0.31; 'developers.': 0.31; 'violation': 0.31; 'anyone': 0.31; 'stuff': 0.32; 'quite': 0.32; 'community': 0.33; 'not.': 0.33; 'core': 0.34; 'could': 0.34; "can't": 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'conduct': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'level': 0.37; 'thank': 0.38; 'bringing': 0.38; 'somebody': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'recent': 0.39; 'realize': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'continued': 0.60; 'everybody': 0.60; 'up,': 0.60; 'mentioned': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'personal': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'world': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'direct': 0.67; 'anything.': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'applying': 0.72; 'behavior': 0.77; '"going': 0.84; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'loser': 0.84; 'news.': 0.84; 'still.': 0.84; 'stir': 0.84; '4:44': 0.91; 'fight': 0.97 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Ned Batchelder Subject: Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 17:24:37 -0500 References: <529934dc$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <23ee5279-bdfd-4fb0-b535-042f7c3bab23@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 18.189.39.242 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 64 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1386023108 news.xs4all.nl 15899 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56036 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60894 On 12/2/13 4:44 PM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > On 12/2/13 3:45 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> On 02/12/2013 20:26, Terry Reedy wrote: >>> On 12/2/2013 10:45 AM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >>> >>>> the worst loser in the world >>> >>> Mark, I consider your continual direct personal attacks on other posters >>> to be a violation of the PSF Code of Conduct, which *does* apply to >>> python-list. Please stop. >>> >> >> The attacks that "Joseph McCarthy" has been launching on the core >> developers for the last 15 months are in my view now perfectly >> acceptable. This is excellent news. Everybody can now say what they >> like about the core developers and there's no comeback. >> >> You can also stuff the code of conduct, it's quite clearly only brought >> into play when it suits. Never, ever aim it at somebody who goes out of >> their way to stir things up, always target it at the people who fight >> back *IS THE RULE HERE*. >> > > The point is that in this thread, no one was making attacks on core > developers. You were bringing up old animosity here for no reason at > all, and making them personal attacks to boot. > > I don't see how you think wxjmfauth was "going out of his way to stir > things up" in *this* thread. He made three comments, none of which > mentioned the FSR or any other controversial topic. Can't we respond to > the content of posts, and not to past offenses by the poster? > > Additionally, wxjmfauth's past complaints about the flexible string > representation were not personal. He didn't say, "Joe Smith is the > worst loser in the world for writing the FSR". He complained about a > feature of CPython, baselessly, but he never attacked the people doing > the work. His continued complaints were aggravating, I agree. I don't > know that they rose to the level of "disrespectful". > > I know that your behavior here is disrespectful. > > As to when the code of conduct is brought up, it's only fairly recently > that it has been mentioned in this forum. There have clearly been posts > in recent memory (the last year) which could have been examined in light > of the code of conduct, and were not. I think we are using it more > uniformly now. You helped me realize better how to apply it to this > forum, and I thank you for that. I welcome your help in applying it > better still. But it applies to you as well and I don't think it's too > much to ask that you abide by it. > > The way to improve this list is to respectfully point to and demonstrate > community norms and ask people to conform to them. Spewing vitriol > isn't going to fix anything. > > --Ned. > > BTW: I think Mark has kill-filed me, so if anyone agrees enough with me here to want Mark to see it, someone else will have to respond before he gets the text. --Ned.