Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!news.redatomik.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'employer,': 0.07; 'odd': 0.07; 'removes': 0.07; 'arguments': 0.09; 'differently.': 0.09; 'guys.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'spaces': 0.09; 'style.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'language.': 0.14; '(at)': 0.16; 'braces': 0.16; 'invisible': 0.16; 'nightmare': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'responses.': 0.16; 'tabs': 0.16; 'elements': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'certainly': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'correct': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'especially': 0.30; 'depth': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'run': 0.32; 'programmers': 0.33; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'editor': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'thanks': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'subject:New': 0.37; 'so,': 0.37; 'starting': 0.37; 'gmail': 0.38; 'handle': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'bad': 0.39; 'environment.': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'reach': 0.63; 'real': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'determine': 0.67; 'bloody': 0.84; 'hammered': 0.84; 'pike': 0.84; 'received:myvzw.com': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: memilanuk Subject: Re: New to Python - block grouping (spaces) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 08:05:52 -0700 References: <9fc57fc9-0399-4ff3-882a-d041f02827d8@googlegroups.com> <6580b5d5-92f5-4bfa-b1d0-889c69fe82bb@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 22.sub-70-199-130.myvzw.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: <6580b5d5-92f5-4bfa-b1d0-889c69fe82bb@googlegroups.com> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1429196771 news.xs4all.nl 2945 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46880 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:89034 On 04/16/2015 07:52 AM, Blake McBride wrote: > Thanks for all the responses. I especially like the Pike pointer. > To be clear: > > 1. I don't think languages should depend on invisible elements to > determine logic. > > 2. Having been an employer, it is difficult to force programmers to > use any particular editor or style. Different editors handle tabs > and spaces differently. This is all a bloody nightmare with Python. > > 3. Languages that use braces (or the like) can be run through a > program beautifier to correct the indentation. You are just screwed > in Python. So, Python may be a cute language for you to use as an > individual, but it is unwieldy in a real development environment. > > 4. Language beautifiers used on bracey languages removes all > arguments in favor of an off-side language. > > Blake McBride > While I certainly don't have your background or depth of experience... do you really think that over the last 20 odd years that Python has been around that #2 and #3 have not been hammered out? Honestly, this is starting to smell more and more like a troll... -- Shiny! Let's be bad guys. Reach me @ memilanuk (at) gmail dot com