Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!feeder.news-service.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.005 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python': 0.07; 'frameworks,': 0.09; 'that!': 0.09; 'to:name:python list': 0.09; 'wxpython': 0.09; 'pm,': 0.11; 'programmer': 0.11; 'written': 0.12; 'c++': 0.12; 'gui': 0.14; 'wrote:': 0.14; '2002.': 0.16; 'clunky': 0.16; 'served': 0.16; 'ties': 0.16; 'tkinter,': 0.16; '\xc2\xa0i': 0.16; 'fine': 0.18; 'written,': 0.19; 'compatible': 0.20; 'language': 0.20; 'programming': 0.20; '(or': 0.22; 'code': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'thu,': 0.22; 'tools,': 0.22; 'so.': 0.22; 'url:mailman': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'received:209.85.161': 0.29; '(as': 0.29; "python's": 0.29; 'probably': 0.30; '(the': 0.30; 'but...': 0.31; 'solved': 0.31; 'toolkit': 0.31; 'language.': 0.31; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.32; 'url:listinfo': 0.33; 'etc)': 0.33; 'bit': 0.33; 'got': 0.34; 'there': 0.35; 'tool': 0.35; 'fault': 0.35; 'rather': 0.36; 'feature': 0.36; 'think': 0.36; 'some': 0.37; 'however': 0.37; 'should': 0.37; 'received:209.85': 0.37; 'url:python': 0.37; 'apr': 0.38; 'received:google.com': 0.38; 'but': 0.38; 'url:org': 0.38; 'strong': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:209': 0.39; 'said': 0.39; 'would': 0.40; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'choice.': 0.60; '2011': 0.62; 'our': 0.63; 'took': 0.64; 'become': 0.70; '(let': 0.84; 'poorly': 0.84; 'wading': 0.84; 'regret': 0.91 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: References: <3b26b458-c69b-4fca-a284-bb23d9e86d42@l30g2000vbn.googlegroups.com> From: James Mills Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 15:36:19 +1000 Subject: Re: Egos, heartlessness, and limitations To: python list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 82.94.164.166 X-Trace: 1302759402 news.xs4all.nl 81478 [::ffff:82.94.164.166]:53283 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:3177 On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 3:08 PM, John Ladasky wrote: > I may regret wading into a flame-war, but... As long as we leave it at that! :) > I got started with Python in 2002. =C2=A0I took one look at TKinter, said > "yuck!", and went searching for something else. =C2=A0Now, wxPython is a > bit clunky for a Python programmer because of its strong ties to C++ > -- but that's what I chose, and it has served me well. =C2=A0I would like > to see wxPython become the default GUI for our very fine programming > language. That's fine and that's your choice. I however don't feel that "we" (as a community) or they (the python developers) should make any GUI toolkit the default for Python (let alone any programming language). IHMO GUI toolkits are not a feature of the language but rather a tool (or library) which is compatible in some way with your language. Python is a fine language. So what if some of the code written _in Python_ (libraires, tools, frameworks, whatever) are a bit poorly written, documented, or are lacking in features ? Is this Python's fault ? Should it be ? I don't think so. This is probably the reason for different groups in the first place (python-dev, python-core-mentoring, python-ideas, etc) so that there is a clear separation of "what's what". Can we stop arguing about this now ? cheers James > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list > --=20 -- James Mills -- -- "Problems are solved by method"