Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!rt.uk.eu.org!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.028 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.94; '*S*': 0.00; 'think,': 0.07; 'badly': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'typed': 0.09; 'bug': 0.12; 'behave': 0.16; 'fine.': 0.16; 'newsgroups': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'so.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'people,': 0.24; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'scale': 0.29; "doesn't": 0.30; 'lines': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'option': 0.32; '"the': 0.34; 'google': 0.35; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'reports': 0.37; 'clear': 0.37; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'that,': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'everybody': 0.60; 'traffic': 0.61; 'making': 0.63; 'situation': 0.65; 'portal': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'groups.': 0.74; 'article': 0.77; 'low': 0.83; 'subject:Managing': 0.84; 'upset': 0.84; 'we?': 0.84; 'marketing.': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Neil Cerutti Subject: Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 14:04:33 +0000 (UTC) Organization: Norwich University References: <5f370a06-8d2c-4d7d-bc22-b9a489c15c59@googlegroups.com> <834d2e9d-2fb2-4401-82fe-dbe161d6d362@googlegroups.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: jackman.norwich.edu User-Agent: slrn/0.9.9p1/mm/ao (Win32) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 35 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385993100 news.xs4all.nl 15922 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40804 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60867 On 2013-12-02, Roy Smith wrote: > In article , > Neil Cerutti wrote: > >> On 2013-11-28, Roy Smith wrote: >> > In article , >> > Alister wrote: >> >> Perhaps the best option is for everybody to bombard Google >> >> with bug reports (preferably typed with extra long lines & >> >> double spaced as that is clearly what they are used to & we >> >> would not want to upset them would we? ) >> > >> > It's pretty clear Google doesn't care about Google Groups. Or, >> > at least, they don't care that it interacts badly with >> > newsgroups, and in particular with bidirectional >> > newsgroup/mailing-list gateways. >> > >> > The purpose of Google Groups is to generate traffic to their >> > site, which it does just fine. Making it behave better with >> > newsgroups won't change that, so there's no incentive for them >> > to do so. >> >> The current situation does force a lot of technology-focused >> people, progammers in particular, into a low opinion of Google. >> The crappy usenet portal is poor marketing. > > If you think, "The set of people who are still trying to use > usenet groups for anything serious" is a lot of people, you > don't understand the scale on which Google operates. It's probably hard to even visualize. -- Neil Cerutti