Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!aioe.org!news.stack.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.002 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'from:addr:yahoo.co.uk': 0.04; 'remind': 0.05; 'url:pipermail': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'subject: -- ': 0.07; 'string': 0.09; 'back.': 0.09; 'correct,': 0.09; 'lawrence': 0.09; 'pep': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'tismer': 0.09; '~ethan~': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'thread': 0.14; '"python': 0.16; '*never*': 0.16; '22:50,': 0.16; 'complaining': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'regression': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'subject:handling': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'appears': 0.22; 'memory': 0.22; 'programming': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'replace': 0.24; 'initial': 0.24; 'second': 0.26; 'least': 0.26; 'header:X -Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'fixed': 0.29; 'url:bugs': 0.29; 'character': 0.29; 'statement': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; '3.2': 0.31; 'clock': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'faster,': 0.31; 'please.': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; 'continuing': 0.33; 'but': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; "he's": 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'christian': 0.38; 'stopped': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'issue': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'track': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'url:mail': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'skip:u 10': 0.60; 'continued': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'august': 0.61; 'world.': 0.61; 'first': 0.61; 'back': 0.62; 'day.': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'here': 0.66; 'home': 0.69; 'apart': 0.72; 'offer.': 0.74; 'claims.': 0.84; 'complaint': 0.84; 'ethan': 0.84; 'furman': 0.84; 'much,': 0.84; 'of?': 0.84; 'victor': 0.84; 'forgotten': 0.91 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Mark Lawrence Subject: Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 00:43:43 +0000 References: <529934dc$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <529BBD4D.4070408@stoneleaf.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: host-78-147-20-135.as13285.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.1 In-Reply-To: <529BBD4D.4070408@stoneleaf.us> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385945036 news.xs4all.nl 15946 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:49037 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60850 On 01/12/2013 22:50, Ethan Furman wrote: > On 12/01/2013 02:06 PM, Mark Lawrence wrote: >> >> I don't remember him [jmf] ever having a valid point, so FTR can we >> have a reference please. I do remember Steven D'Aprano >> showing that there was a regression which I flagged up here >> http://bugs.python.org/issue16061. It was fixed by Serhiy >> Storchaka, who appears to have forgotten more about Python than I'll >> ever know, grrr!!! :) > > The initial complaint came, unsurprisingly, from jmf. But don't worry > much, even a stopped clock has a better track record... it's at least > right twice a day. ;) > > -- > ~Ethan~ I had to chuckle, "initial complaint" indeed!!! He first started complaining in August 2012 in this thread https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2012-August/628650.html. Then he continued in September 2012 in this thread https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2012-September/631613.html, which lead to issue 16061. He's been continuing to moan on and off ever since, but funnily enough has *NEVER* produced a single shred of evidence to back his claims. We'll have to wait until the cows come home before he does. Contrast that to the Victor Stinner statement here http://bugs.python.org/issue16061#msg171413 "Python 3.3 is 2x faster than Python 3.2 to replace a character with another if the string only contains the character 3 times. This is not acceptable, Python 3.3 must be as slow as Python 3.2!" Thinking about that I really do want the Python 2 code back. Apart from the PEP 393 implementation being faster, using less memory and being correct, it has nothing to offer. Now what Python sketch does that remind me of? :) -- Python is the second best programming language in the world. But the best has yet to be invented. Christian Tismer Mark Lawrence