Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!1.eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.038 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.92; '*S*': 0.00; 'python,': 0.02; 'class,': 0.07; '*is*': 0.09; 'builtin': 0.09; 'defines': 0.09; 'override': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'creates': 0.14; 'thread': 0.14; 'expecting': 0.16; 'namespace,': 0.16; 'python",': 0.16; 'subclass': 0.16; 'essential': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'trying': 0.19; 'basically': 0.19; 'normally': 0.19; 'things.': 0.19; '>>>': 0.22; 'python?': 0.22; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'pass': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'too.': 0.31; 'you?': 0.31; '>>>>': 0.31; 'gary': 0.31; 'class': 0.32; 'languages': 0.32; 'classes': 0.35; 'common': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'done.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'keyword': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; 'wrong': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'to:addr:python- list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'realize': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'ian': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'act': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'interest': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'within': 0.65; 'hang': 0.67; 'family': 0.73; 'hoping': 0.75; "'3'": 0.84; '2015': 0.84; 'mindset': 0.84; 'studying': 0.84; 'understand,': 0.84; 'discovering': 0.91; 'here."': 0.91; 'str.': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9p5tX60dcNkR2jUFrMBCqCBZoPJY8GwYtlOqB1NxTuw=; b=rUvkPOXTLPBbJWwRVvsY53mwyZYMjvgCVlviSwQzjy+AoRg7dt3NltsKt2i2UAJKsL 2W2SXEGREpVXRVbeiQgU+DB3Vgq0nmEBnJRFfVsRbWqrbFmcKA9/QC8OWrIRINoBZtle lYoiTOl9ZuxazfKRN29CA7GvD09IoqGhsB5vuC00il23zwTazolQkNWzvmPlB7ZGApf3 13l1fASZ9Y2ZFJlHRlxxz5A1CYAglJ/JXYUhMdsogP4ipmQMoVgGizoJZOhelMPtY8Ct aZQq1gnvPFoiJ9RQGZPuoWDI0Ae55MdAtuTO/JUNDvPgQeJRS3mZUxLzUjj8Eq1h4rHY cBAw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.140.129.65 with SMTP id 62mr9788081qhb.102.1431285164922; Sun, 10 May 2015 12:12:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <554F9525.5040101@digipen.edu> References: <554F9525.5040101@digipen.edu> Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 14:12:44 -0500 Subject: Re: anomaly From: boB Stepp To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 11 May 2015 09:28:35 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20+ Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 52 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1431329316 news.xs4all.nl 2861 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:47897 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:90355 I am in process learning Python and normally hang out on the Tutor list, but monitor this one hoping to learn what I can. This thread is of interest to me from the standpoint of trying to understand the Python way of doing things. On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Gary Herron wrote: > On 05/10/2015 09:48 AM, Rustom Mody wrote: >> >> On Sunday, May 10, 2015 at 10:14:36 PM UTC+5:30, Ian wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Mark Rosenblitt-Janssen wrote: >>>> >>>> Here's something that might be wrong in Python (tried on v2.7): >>>> >>>>>>> class int(str): pass >>> >>> This defines a new class named "int" that is a subclass of str. It has >>> no relation to the builtin class int. >>> >>>>>>> int(3) >>>> >>>> '3' >>> >>> This creates an instance of the above "int" class, which is basically >>> equivalent to calling "str(3)". >>> >>> Were you expecting a different result? >> >> In C (family) languages int is a keyword >> From that pov this is completely bizarre > > > Not really. Expecting Python to act like C family languages *is* bizarre. I have to admit being surprised by this, too. I am just now studying on how to write my own classes in Python, and have come to realize that doing this is *possible*, but the *surprise* to me is why the language design allowed this to actually be done. > Common Python thought:: "We're all adults here." If you want to override > a builtin within your own namespace, who are we to stop you? I'm surprised that this thought has not been added to the "Zen Of Python", as I see it as more and more recurrent as I continue my studies. What I would like to comprehend is what is the essential mindset of Python? That is, what do I need to understand, so that I am no longer likely to be surprised by discovering new possibilities in Python such as what the current thread is discussing? -- boB