Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.036 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.93; '*S*': 0.00; 'value,': 0.03; 'rejected': 0.07; 'any)': 0.09; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.10; 'server,': 0.15; 'c++;': 0.16; 'foo"': 0.16; 'programmers;': 0.16; 'received:mac.com': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'received:10.0.1': 0.17; 'tries': 0.17; 'appears': 0.18; 'subject:skip:i 10': 0.22; 'posts': 0.23; 'somebody': 0.23; 'cc:2**1': 0.24; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.25; 'possibly': 0.27; 'andrew': 0.27; 'c++': 0.27; 'subject:list': 0.28; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'books': 0.30; 'aside': 0.32; 'asked': 0.33; "aren't": 0.33; 'dates': 0.33; 'received:10.0': 0.33; 'nov': 0.35; 'received:17': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'explain': 0.36; 'but': 0.36; 'cc:no real name:2**1': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'received:10': 0.38; 'subject:-': 0.40; 'think': 0.40; 'your': 0.60; 'days': 0.60; 'from:no real name:2**0': 0.60; 'between': 0.63; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'ago.': 0.66; 'news': 0.68; 'saw': 0.75; '*really*': 0.84; 'distinguish': 0.84; "isp's": 0.84; 'who,': 0.84 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.9.8185,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-11-08_03:2012-11-08, 2012-11-08, 1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1203120001 definitions=main-1211080090 Subject: Re: Multi-dimensional list initialization From: wrw@mac.com In-reply-to: <509B3A38.3000109@r3dsolutions.com> Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 08:26:52 -0500 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable References: <50978323$0$6908$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> <5098d2ac$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <50999214.50100@r3dsolutions.com> <509ABBD4.7020200@r3dsolutions.com> <509af632$0$29980$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <509B3A38.3000109@r3dsolutions.com> To: andrew3@r3dsolutions.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: python-list@python.org, wrw@mac.com X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1352384823 news.xs4all.nl 6897 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:54401 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:32953 On Nov 7, 2012, at 11:51 PM, Andrew Robinson = wrote: > On 11/07/2012 04:00 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> Andrew, it appears that your posts are being eaten or rejected by my >> ISP's news server, because they aren't showing up for me. Possibly a = side- >> effect of your dates being in the distant past? > Date has been corrected since two days ago. It will remain until a = reboot.... > Ignorance, though, might be bliss... >=20 >> Every now and again I come across somebody who tries to distinguish = between "call by foo" and "pass by foo", but nobody has been able to = explain the difference (if any) to me. > I think the "Call by foo" came into vogue around the time of C++; Eg: = It's in books like C++ for C programmers; I never saw it used before = then so I *really* don't know for sure=85 >=20 Just as an aside - there is a famous quote from Niklaus Wirt, who, when = asked how he pronounced his name, is said to have replied: "Well you = can call me by name, Veert, or you can call me by value, Worth." That would have been sometime in the early 60s, when he was at Stanford. -Bill