Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!tudelft.nl!txtfeed1.tudelft.nl!newsfeed10.multikabel.net!multikabel.net!newsfeed20.multikabel.net!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'flags': 0.05; 'way:': 0.05; 'subject:Python': 0.05; 'happily': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; '>>>>': 0.09; 'executed': 0.09; 'false,': 0.09; 'func': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229.12': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'received:lo.gmane.org': 0.09; 'output': 0.10; 'def': 0.13; 'anymore.': 0.16; 'assembly,': 0.16; 'aye': 0.16; 'comma,': 0.16; 'handy': 0.16; 'lambda': 0.16; 'logic.': 0.16; 'magic.': 0.16; "wouldn't": 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'example.': 0.18; 'functions,': 0.18; 'this?': 0.19; 'seems': 0.20; 'maybe': 0.21; 'dec': 0.22; 'statement': 0.23; 'consist': 0.24; 'keyword': 0.24; 'code': 0.25; 'helpful': 0.26; "i'm": 0.26; 'function': 0.27; '(this': 0.28; 'skip:( 40': 0.28; 'exit': 0.29; 'true,': 0.29; 'pm,': 0.29; 'example': 0.29; 'decorators': 0.30; 'logic': 0.30; 'chris': 0.30; 'thanks': 0.31; 'michael': 0.31; 'does': 0.32; 'thu,': 0.32; 'implement': 0.32; "isn't": 0.33; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.33; 'there': 0.33; 'it?': 0.33; 'done': 0.34; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'someone': 0.34; 'too': 0.34; '(including': 0.34; 'function.': 0.34; 'nested': 0.34; 'skip:@ 10': 0.34; 'test': 0.35; 'however,': 0.36; 'uses': 0.36; 'skip:" 10': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'run': 0.37; 'entry': 0.37; 'could': 0.37; 'doing': 0.38; 'using': 0.38; 'received:org': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'put': 0.38; 'easier': 0.38; 'why': 0.39; "it's": 0.40; 'missing': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'one,': 0.40; 'once': 0.60; 'more': 0.61; 'type': 0.61; '2011': 0.61; 'your': 0.61; 'high': 0.67; 'said:': 0.67; 'subject:!!!': 0.76; 'care,': 0.77; '10:22': 0.84; 'complex,': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: K.-Michael Aye Subject: Re: I love the decorator in Python!!! Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 17:24:11 +0100 Organization: University of Bern References: <29996186.628.1323328726122.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfb7> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: rain.gmane.org User-Agent: Unison/2.1.5 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 59 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1323361468 news.xs4all.nl 6864 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56571 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:16846 On 2011-12-08 11:43:12 +0000, Chris Angelico said: > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:22 PM, K.-Michael Aye wrote: >> I am still perplexed about decorators though, am happily using Python for >> many years without them, but maybe i am missing something? >> For example in the above case, if I want the names attached to each other >> with a comma, why wouldn't I just create a function doing exactly this? Why >> would I first write a single name generator and then decorate it so that I >> never can get single names anymore (this is the case, isn't it? Once >> decorated, I can not get the original behaviour of the function anymore. > > The example given is a toy. It's hardly useful. However, there are a > number of handy uses for decorators; mostly, they consist of giving a > single simple keyword to a complicated set of logic. One example is > the @classmethod and @staticmethod decorators - the code to implement > them could be uglier than nested inline assembly, but you don't have > to care, because you just type "@staticmethod" in front of your def > statement and it does its magic. > > Here's a handy trick that I'm sure someone has done in a more > sophisticated way: > > def trace(func): > if debugmode: > return lambda *a,**ka: > (print(">"+func.__name__),func(*a,**ka),print("<"+func.__name__))[1] > return func > > Then you put @trace in front of all your functions, and if debugmode > is False, nothing will be done - but set it to true, and you get > console output at the entry and exit of each function. > >>>> @trace > def test(x): > print("Test! "+x) > return 5 > >>>> test("asdf") >> test > Test! asdf > 5 > > Again, it's helpful because it condenses all the logic (including the > 'debugmode' flag) down to a single high level directive: "Trace this > function". > > ChrisA I understand this one, it seems really useful. And maybe i start to sense some more applicability. Like this, with extra flags that could be set at run time, I could influence the way a function is executed without designing the function too complex, but by decorating it, which at the end could be easier to read than complicated if-then statements in the function. Thanks for your example. Michael