Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!news1.tnib.de!feed.news.tnib.de!news.tnib.de!newsfeed.freenet.ag!news2.euro.net!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'python.': 0.02; '16,': 0.03; 'cpython': 0.05; 'difference,': 0.09; 'mercurial': 0.09; 'stackless': 0.09; 'yeah,': 0.09; 'language,': 0.12; '80k': 0.16; 'clone': 0.16; 'corresponds': 0.16; 'fetch': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; 'hrm.': 0.16; 'shallow': 0.16; 'thought.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'bit': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'error': 0.23; '2.x': 0.24; "aren't": 0.24; 'earlier': 0.24; 'versions': 0.24; '(or': 0.24; 'equivalent': 0.26; 'nearly': 0.26; 'shown': 0.26; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'point': 0.28; 'chris': 0.29; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'easier': 0.31; 'that.': 0.31; '3.x': 0.31; 'base,': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'url:python': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'done': 0.36; 'doing': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'being': 0.38; 'awesome': 0.38; 'bringing': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'pm,': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'anything': 0.39; 'does': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'simply': 0.61; "you're": 0.61; 'here:': 0.62; 'times': 0.62; 'real': 0.63; 'led': 0.72; 'actually,': 0.84; 'difference.': 0.84; 'history,': 0.84; 'pike': 0.84; 'subject:Control': 0.84; 'yourself,': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dYEQB/SxEsIdV6aKUNdpZJ+E05a9BYzTaJq5IcEVczo=; b=yZhuK1D/+4/QnmNlJW5hXMpREXWw3LbgD6fVQCZebfRVjoUKc7x+wxfJ32ku9uE/LG F97f3iR/QIAPGH3VpAti140KRYLzXxHEOVNpKdF8Oednr6CPEqC2Xtrmf+TGUP0ikLTx xR1FEJigMMb/9amcjbR0AdAFjV5co3ZjFmw7CcxOAqf0lkBhU4L4cKSO/1KoVN2BEky/ IcOXe1kBy99ZoSRhVrZQd8LRwSewIqy31ymyMN/3A0cSXWG8TdHVD5EJcUL0YoNhcRH5 i6SUWpkOaa2KS8R7H/ej0+NQH0cvLxxCgjn0gz1F0zITYY+NAL+xnPZBv0FBFpdehM1t 4jpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.249.236 with SMTP id yx12mr2982515vec.25.1371360574838; Sat, 15 Jun 2013 22:29:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <51bd4b1c$0$29966$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <98c13a55-dbf2-46a7-a2aa-8c5f052ff375@googlegroups.com> <2644d0de-9a81-41aa-b27a-cb4535964b58@googlegroups.com> <51BB8338.50006@davea.name> <51bd4b1c$0$29966$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:29:34 +1000 Subject: Re: Version Control Software From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 42 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1371360584 news.xs4all.nl 16002 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:46597 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:48413 On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 14:13:13 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > >> I didn't think there would be that much difference, tbh. Mainly, I'm >> just seeing cpython as not being 200MB of history, or so I'd thought. >> Pike has ~30K commits (based on 'git log --oneline|wc -l'); CPython has >> roughly 80K (based on 'hg log|grep changeset|wc -l' - there's likely an >> easier way but I don't know Mercurial). So yeah, okay, it's been doing >> more. But I still don't see 200MB in that. Seems a lot of content. > > If you're bringing in the *entire* CPython code base, as shown here: > > http://hg.python.org/ > > keep in mind that it includes the equivalent of four independent > implementations: > > - CPython 2.x > - CPython 3.x > - Stackless > - Jython Hrm. Why are there other Pythons in the cpython repository? Yes, CPython 2.x and 3.x, but why the other two? > Plus, no offence intended at Pike which I'm sure is an awesome language, > but it may not be quite as much active development as Python... as you > point out yourself, there are nearly three times as many commits to > CPython as to Pike, which coincidentally (or not) corresponds to the > CPython repo being nearly three times as large as the Pike repo. Yeah. Actually, I suspect that what's going on here, and what led to my confusion, is that Pike wasn't always done using git, so quite a few of the earlier versions simply aren't here. So it's an error in my perceptions rather than any real difference. However, comparisons aside, 200MB is still a fair bit to fetch before doing anything with Python. Does Mercurial have any equivalent of git's shallow clone feature? ChrisA