Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.astraweb.com!border5.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'argument': 0.05; 'conventions': 0.07; '*is*': 0.09; '[1]:': 0.09; '[2]:': 0.09; '[3]:': 0.09; 'arguments': 0.09; 'occasionally': 0.09; 'mailman': 0.10; 'runs': 0.10; '[3],': 0.16; 'filename:fname piece:signature': 0.16; 'general.': 0.16; 'gmane': 0.16; 'gnupg': 0.16; 'observations': 0.16; 'received:206.46': 0.16; 'received:206.46.173': 0.16; 'received:206.46.173.11': 0.16; 'received:vms173011pub.verizon.net': 0.16; 'url:general': 0.16; 'url:gmane': 0.16; 'applies': 0.16; 'email addr:python.org,': 0.16; 'folks': 0.16; 'url:org)': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'seems': 0.21; 'saying': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'signed': 0.27; 'specifically': 0.29; 'chris': 0.29; '[1]': 0.29; '[2]': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; '(which': 0.31; 'url:wiki': 0.31; '(since': 0.31; 'are.': 0.31; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'url:wikipedia': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'probably': 0.32; '(including': 0.33; 'subject:mailing': 0.33; 'url:python': 0.33; 'everyone': 0.33; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'subject: (': 0.35; 'subject:lists': 0.35; "who's": 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'adjust': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'example,': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'convention': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'list,': 0.38; 'fact': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'applicable': 0.60; 'tell': 0.60; 'new': 0.61; 'information,': 0.61; 'content-disposition:inline': 0.62; 'making': 0.63; 'received:206': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'email name:python-list': 0.65; 'direct': 0.67; 'reads': 0.68; 'subject': 0.69; 'obvious': 0.74; 'subscribers': 0.74; 'header:In-reply-to:1': 0.84; 'presumably': 0.84; 'trevor': 0.84; 'encrypted': 0.91; 'subject:Don': 0.91; 'opt-out': 0.93; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tremily.us; s=odin; t=1371346151; bh=20uMfllaad1rf5RJ+KgQo9DPF6QHaa+JcqxJGoX/1YU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=LmheZZdfc2fnn0gTWVw+q9F41uahNOdUYIzkZG4OHM9zwMmhxQtjlK/buz/UJenyr KfxcsRVSys7QxslGwaZrznLzy6KQSSy8j0LDFM/09/mFFsfTkPinx74SxYBOrtKEHi vrGTlpf3AJZ99SvRbJ5CK6Oemm3OUK2ljjOlAYEo= Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:29:10 -0400 From: "W. Trevor King" To: python-list@python.org Subject: CC etiquette for mailing lists (was: Don't feed the troll...) References: <20130615020957.GA72426@cskk.homeip.net> <7w61xfa9y8.fsf@benfinney.id.au> <51bc8af2$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20130615130729.574fc00b@imp> <51bca8a2$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51bd0bf8$0$29966$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="wAI/bQb0EMvlZCHl" Content-disposition: inline In-reply-to: <51bd0bf8$0$29966$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> OpenPGP: id=39A2F3FA2AB17E5D8764F388FC29BDCDF15F5BE8; url=http://tremily.us/pubkey.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 66 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1371346160 news.xs4all.nl 15906 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40809 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:48398 --wAI/bQb0EMvlZCHl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 12:51:04AM +0000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jun 2013 09:09:37 +1000, Chris Angelico wrote: > > Mailman is the software that runs python-list@python.org, so this > > *is* applicable to everyone who reads the mailing list (including > > myself). The fact that there's other mailing list software isn't > > significant; >=20 > I'm not making an argument about CCing the sender on specifically > this list, I'm making a general observations about list etiquette in > general. For some lists [1], the convention *is* to CC interested parties (which presumably includes the person who's message you are replying to). In the case of Mailman-hosted lists, it would seem to be more considerate to CC folks (since they can opt-out via Mailman), while folks who only follow the list via occasionally reading Gmane [2] will probably appreciate the direct ping. I'm not saying that this should be the convention for python-list@, I'm just saying that it's not immediately obvious what the conventions are for a particular list [3], and there are valid arguments going both ways. What seems more obvious (to me), is that it's polite to adjust the subject line if your response if far enough off-topic that the original subject no longer applies ;). Cheers, Trevor [1]: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/git/git.git/tree/MaintNotes?h=3Dtodo#n10 [2]: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general [3]: Unless you tell new subscribers what the conventions are. For example, the git@ list emails [1] to new list subscribers. --=20 This email may be signed or encrypted with GnuPG (http://www.gnupg.org). 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