Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.188 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.63; '*S*': 0.01; 'subject:Python': 0.06; 'correct.': 0.07; 'subject: -- ': 0.07; 'character,': 0.09; 'english,': 0.09; '"&"': 0.16; 'distinct': 0.16; 'partly': 0.16; 'parts,': 0.16; 'roy': 0.16; 'shortcut': 0.16; 'soap,': 0.16; 'subject:Unicode': 0.16; 'subject:handling': 0.16; 'sat,': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'written': 0.21; 'appears': 0.22; 'days,': 0.24; 'replace': 0.24; 'skip': 0.24; 'unicode': 0.24; 'cheers,': 0.24; 'define': 0.26; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'idea': 0.28; 'character': 0.29; '(like': 0.30; 'originally': 0.30; "i'm": 0.30; "d'aprano": 0.31; 'fixing': 0.31; 'george': 0.31; 'purely': 0.31; 'steven': 0.31; 'languages': 0.32; 'fri,': 0.33; 'url:non-standard http port': 0.33; 'skip:d 20': 0.34; 'received:66': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'example,': 0.37; 'depends': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; 'dangerous': 0.60; 'received:unknown': 0.61; 'lost': 0.61; 'header :Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'such': 0.63; 'happen': 0.63; 'charset:windows-1256': 0.64; 'interest': 0.64; 'provide': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'school': 0.64; '30,': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'saturday': 0.68; 'smith': 0.68; 'sunday': 0.68; 'winter': 0.68; 'home': 0.69; 'gotten': 0.74; 'million': 0.74; 'received:204': 0.75; 'hand': 0.80; 'citizens.': 0.84; 'warmth': 0.84; 'boxes': 0.91; 'heat': 0.91; 'kid': 0.91; 'whereas': 0.91; 'hands': 0.96; '2013': 0.98 X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=5.0 X-Spam-Level: +++ From: Gene Heskett To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Python Unicode handling wins again -- mostly Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:25:48 -0500 References: <529934dc$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <529967dc$0$29993$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <20131130050559.GA6866@piedra> In-Reply-To: <20131130050559.GA6866@piedra> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 47 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385789161 news.xs4all.nl 15871 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:56327 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60797 On Saturday 30 November 2013 00:23:22 Zero Piraeus did opine: > On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 04:21:49AM +0000, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 21:08:49 -0500, Roy Smith wrote: > > > The whole idea of ligatures like fi is purely typographic. > > > > In English, that's correct. I'm not sure if we can generalise that to > > all languages that have ligatures. It also partly depends on how you > > define ligatures. For example, would you consider that ampersand & to > > be a ligature? These days, I would consider & to be a distinct > > character, but originally it began as a ligature for "et" (Latin for > > "and"). > > > > But let's skip such corner cases, as they provide much heat but no > > illumination, [...] > > In the interest of warmth (I know it's winter in some parts of the > world) ... > > As I understand it, "&" has always been used to replace the word "et" > specifically, rather than the letter-pair e,t (no-one has ever written > "k&tle" other than ironically), which makes it a logogram rather than a > ligature (like "@"). Whereas in these here parts, the "&" has always been read as a single character shortcut for the word "and". > > (I happen to think the presence of ligatures in Unicode is insane, but > my dictator-of-the-world certificate appears to have gotten lost in the > post, so fixing that will have to wait). > > -[]z. Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Genes Web page "I remember when I was a kid I used to come home from Sunday School and my mother would get drunk and try to make pancakes." -- George Carlin A pen in the hand of this president is far more dangerous than 200 million guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens.