Path: csiph.com!weretis.net!feeder4.news.weretis.net!ecngs!testfeeder.ecngs.de!81.171.118.64.MISMATCH!peer04.fr7!news.highwinds-media.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!not-for-mail From: Random832 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Subject: Re: Guido sees the light: PEP 8 updated Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:54:50 -0400 Lines: 23 Message-ID: References: <5711c1b3$0$1596$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87shym6kpo.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87h9f26ioa.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1460809922.1918014.580580553.0AE05EE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <878u0d7az5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <93639142-6b82-4b8a-8bd0-7f4593e1f692@googlegroups.com> <5716595b$0$1585$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <3d95437c-6427-46d2-8e9f-470f121194cd@googlegroups.com> <20160419124321.361751dc@bigbox.christie.dr> <1461092090.2638611.583593041.7C981FAD@webmail.messagingengine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de LBCdt5ul9WhsxGhTi2tJMQcN64W0oohsW0pounuEUVYQ== Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.010 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.98; '*S*': 0.00; 'resulting': 0.04; 'subject:PEP': 0.07; 'received:internal': 0.09; 'message- id:@webmail.messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:10.202': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2': 0.16; 'received:10.202.2.44': 0.16; 'received:66.111': 0.16; 'received:66.111.4': 0.16; 'received:compute4.internal': 0.16; 'received:io': 0.16; 'received:messagingengine.com': 0.16; 'received:psf.io': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.16; 'language': 0.19; 'programming': 0.22; 'plain': 0.24; 'tim': 0.24; 'xml': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.24; 'sense': 0.26; 'chase': 0.29; 'markup': 0.29; 'comments': 0.30; 'code': 0.30; 'editor': 0.34; 'tue,': 0.34; 'file': 0.34; 'could': 0.35; 'text': 0.35; 'done': 0.35; 'displays': 0.35; 'text.': 0.35; "isn't": 0.35; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.36; 'subject:: ': 0.37; 'received:10': 0.37; 'being': 0.37; 'method': 0.37; 'received:66': 0.38; 'associate': 0.38; 'format': 0.39; 'subject:the': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'still': 0.40; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.61; 'positions': 0.64; 'viewing': 0.64; 'dia:': 0.84; 'notion': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fastmail.com; h= content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-sasl-enc :x-sasl-enc; s=mesmtp; bh=C2DGxAWRUDDBgeYef10+HzdLrS4=; b=x/qokc 7/Jbj4FVPU0XmGULSJ5YM7S4UdB8v5ChvJBurASCUOtUN5MUOxzFF1TEFsGFgZQh xVNUiJro/h0OS268nTQ8+s6AVRDa8boj/Fenz6Zg/dW1maW2dhYtl67aLJddXdBE kDWU8z454E/+H292sFxhSadCyl0EkQiv2OjEk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-sasl-enc:x-sasl-enc; s=smtpout; bh=C2DGxAWRUDDBgeY ef10+HzdLrS4=; b=J58XxclrJ6f+A3MmgpTeENlukkUXaBhGkKfSp0iFNT/mPlL zltV4dM7Pil2Eb03IrhfsBmfqLoPII2k+o/jExucYHCbnUtq8kGib4HhtNZXlSET CIweLDhyIdr1WhD2+XGyOsUl5vesJlQcL8rU1x3ZJyE5F5kHQ8JLuztg4v4Q= X-Sasl-Enc: 4Gg/LdYeRu9i+mAdGBxH8WAUdWQxi/VKnvLQHPS/jJCh 1461092090 X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface - ajax-9b739787 In-Reply-To: <20160419124321.361751dc@bigbox.christie.dr> X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Mailman-Original-Message-ID: <1461092090.2638611.583593041.7C981FAD@webmail.messagingengine.com> X-Mailman-Original-References: <5711c1b3$0$1596$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <87shym6kpo.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <87h9f26ioa.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <1460809922.1918014.580580553.0AE05EE4@webmail.messagingengine.com> <878u0d7az5.fsf@elektro.pacujo.net> <93639142-6b82-4b8a-8bd0-7f4593e1f692@googlegroups.com> <5716595b$0$1585$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <3d95437c-6427-46d2-8e9f-470f121194cd@googlegroups.com> <20160419124321.361751dc@bigbox.christie.dr> X-Received-Bytes: 6483 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2007568939 Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:107357 On Tue, Apr 19, 2016, at 13:43, Tim Chase wrote: > Well, let's take a look at their native file formats: > > Inkscape: SVG > > Libreoffice: compressed XML > > Firefox: HTML+CSS+JS > > Musescore: compressed text > > Dia: compressed XML None of those are "text" in the sense being discussed here, which is "preferred method of viewing and editing is a text editor". You could, for example, design a programming language that uses XML markup to associate comments with specific positions in the code and the editor displays them in little callout boxes when you hover over them with the mouse. That's not done because of the notion that code has to be plain text. The fact that the resulting format would still be a text format that could theoretically be edited with a text editor isn't relevant to this discussion.