Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'one?': 0.05; 'run-time': 0.05; 'function,': 0.07; 'prints': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; '(those': 0.09; 'function),': 0.09; 'says,': 0.09; 'subject:string': 0.09; 'variables,': 0.09; 'am,': 0.12; 'def': 0.13; 'received:209.85.210.174': 0.13; 'received:mail- iy0-f174.google.com': 0.13; "'a'": 0.16; 'a,b,c': 0.16; 'behaviour,': 0.16; 'from:addr:rosuav': 0.16; 'from:name:chris angelico': 0.16; "function's": 0.16; 'namespace.': 0.16; 'op:': 0.16; 'scope.': 0.16; 'subject:creation': 0.16; 'subject:variable': 0.16; 'this:': 0.16; 'meant': 0.17; 'language,': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'dec': 0.22; 'assume': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'works.': 0.23; 'defined': 0.24; 'function': 0.27; '(and': 0.28; '(this': 0.28; 'message- id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.28; 'pass': 0.29; 'second': 0.29; 'outer': 0.30; 'usually': 0.31; 'quite': 0.32; 'thu,': 0.32; 'actual': 0.32; 'actually': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.34; 'function.': 0.34; 'nested': 0.34; 'variables': 0.37; 'but': 0.37; 'received:google.com': 0.37; "there's": 0.37; 'another': 0.37; 'not,': 0.37; 'steven': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'subject:from': 0.38; 'called': 0.40; "it's": 0.40; 'received:209': 0.40; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.40; 'one,': 0.40; '2011': 0.61; 'share': 0.66; 'shares': 0.67; 'sum': 0.89 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FLOGH1wTJFRy3sE3J7AHm8QpOlakbIS7gg7t2U9ew7Y=; b=peSfwXItiCyv/788n044RbIyM+zpZPthVyehCcYrWXXxFBj69XXDKmnO4lFrOTb9tP 8Yv/+EDXrU9OTWtn0sM+XYwZRrTqZ0BZ/c2oBignxHrYmEf5Mc5SMTjnJMtAufMBSZ86 ztmED9i7lytzvTquJku8nZ7Jw4lSiYtW8/CKw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4edffed8$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <4edffed8$0$29988$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:13:19 +1100 Subject: Re: Dynamic variable creation from string From: Chris Angelico To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 45 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1323314002 news.xs4all.nl 6843 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35928 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:16798 On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >> It is really important that the scope of a,b,c is limited to the Sum >> function, they must not exisit outside it or inside any other nested >> functions. > > The second part is impossible, because that is not how Python works. > Nested functions in Python can always see variables in their enclosing > scope. If you don't want that behaviour, use another language, or don't > use nested functions. To the OP: By "nested functions", did you mean actual nested functions (those defined inside this function), or simply functions called from this one? This is a nested function, as the term is usually taken to mean: def outer_function(): a = 1 def inner_function(): b = 2 return a+b print(inner_function()) # Prints 3 The inner function has access to all of the outer function's namespace. But if you meant this: def function_1(): b = 2 return a+b def function_2(): a = 1 print(function_1()) then it's quite the other way around - Python never shares variables in this way (this would have function_1 assume that 'a' is a global name, so if it's not, you'll get a run-time NameError). As Steven says, there's no way in Python to hide variables from an actual nested function. But if you just mean a function called from this one, then what you want is the normal behaviour (and if you actually want to share variables, you pass them as arguments). ChrisA