Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder1.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.003 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'exception': 0.03; 'received:209.85.223': 0.03; 'debugging': 0.05; 'received:209.85.223.198': 0.07; 'stops': 0.07; 'python': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; 'programmer': 0.11; 'sat,': 0.15; 'core.': 0.16; 'dump': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'certainly': 0.17; 'obviously': 0.18; '>>>': 0.18; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'propose': 0.27; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.27; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'prints': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'wasting': 0.29; 'no,': 0.29; 'johnson': 0.32; 'print': 0.32; 'surely': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'received:google.com': 0.34; 'pm,': 0.35; 'received:209.85': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'michael': 0.36; 'too': 0.36; 'turn': 0.36; 'author': 0.37; 'received:209': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'your': 0.60; 'skip:n 10': 0.63; 'information': 0.63; 'our': 0.65; '2013': 0.84; 'idiot.': 0.84; 'off,': 0.84; 'rick': 0.91 X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=MTmRA3bklqsnmo1jtVTbwFa1mGoG4MOmn0Y6z46rpEk=; b=O60d+nh/HNk09dKIwqeJIQJtiYSXU7vVoZLCy4uc+CdrSBTWtsxyxRX2uIVSmaEDF8 AG/vtnT/cUWmSffv7v9Ad31xD1CCybpGvsHG9oI80cRg7V7jUZ1x0MCPPmt3WgwbBLAH L28CNl1qK0waY8bRzAjGsmtqO8KaDe4o5Xk01vudA/0w3GnhIqcNoZX/QzHExMFwPy0G NF9wn6WPI4+F1/tCEkJTxkiXzXY+Y41vpOwyav8kBcunJbNwHNfNBBw1dIyJHjxJBUa6 Piu7opM4WdV8X6aZs3wZCfeK1D9JSJIfifXwP4sbIAl+KbP/EdCWx5aS+NuueohX9j6o 0zFw== X-Received: by 10.182.235.49 with SMTP id uj17mr5077831obc.18.1363493631546; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:13:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.235.49 with SMTP id uj17mr5077830obc.18.1363493631473; Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:13:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5145350b$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> References: <514504b1$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <8d5de6ba-5f7b-44ea-8525-cb20a88344eb@googlegroups.com> <5145350b$0$29965$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2013 21:13:51 -0700 Subject: Re: PyWart: NameError trackbacks are superfluous From: Benjamin Kaplan To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlhE3h0ng9aOYY9GP7qbnLDciLdzPggMASbb/rQarghZ+YCFEba+taFSKsuC5jMVtZbR+a2zzIs2dLoDtuMGTln1y6XuKyGJBsPEf9kPEZx/4InSSGcQ+td6UTZI7oUBvr4yAxBQ20BbXd6PKbIbzj7lYnAjg== X-Junkmail-Whitelist: YES (by domain whitelist at mpv2.tis.cwru.edu) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 25 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1363494015 news.xs4all.nl 6840 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35618 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:41346 On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, 16 Mar 2013 19:58:41 -0600, Michael Torrie wrote: > >> On 03/16/2013 06:11 PM, Rick Johnson wrote: >>> No, the "ACTUAL PROBLEM" is in the author. >> >> Surely any NameException can also be blamed on the author then, by your >> logic? > > Any exception at all is obviously the author's fault. I propose that > Python stops wasting our time with debugging information and tracebacks, > and on any error, simply prints the following message then dump core: > > > PEBKACError: Programmer is an idiot. You did something wrong, you moron, > turn your computer off, you're obviously too stupid to program. > > > That will certainly improve productivity. > > -- > Steven Don't have it dump core. Have it print a pink slip to the default printer.