Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed2.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.134 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.73; '*S*': 0.00; '(especially': 0.07; 'nasty': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'fetch': 0.16; 'gmane': 0.16; 'message-id:@4ax.com': 0.16; 'otoh,': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'using,': 0.16; 'thu,': 0.19; 'load': 0.23; 'alternate': 0.24; 'url:home': 0.24; 'possibly': 0.26; 'transfers': 0.26; '(for': 0.26; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.30; 'css': 0.30; 'getting': 0.31; '(my': 0.31; 'proposing': 0.31; 'text': 0.33; 'plain': 0.33; "i'd": 0.34; 'connection': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'google': 0.35; 'really': 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; "i'll": 0.36; 'should': 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'received:76': 0.38; 'server': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'whatever': 0.38; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'days': 0.60; 'most': 0.60; 'forum': 0.61; 'provide': 0.64; 'life': 0.66; 'hours': 0.66; 'here': 0.66; 'side': 0.67; '3-4': 0.68; 'transferred': 0.68; 'home': 0.69; 'limit': 0.70; 'online': 0.71; 'unsubscribe': 0.82; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'dsl': 0.84; 'fast,': 0.84; 'message).': 0.84; 'subject:Managing': 0.84; 'wither': 0.84; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: Managing Google Groups headaches Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 16:41:16 -0500 Organization: IISS Elusive Unicorn References: <5f370a06-8d2c-4d7d-bc22-b9a489c15c59@googlegroups.com> <834d2e9d-2fb2-4401-82fe-dbe161d6d362@googlegroups.com> <529763FF.2030305@gmail.com> <15E5E7AA-FBFF-456F-B62A-2FC55DA0380A@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-76-249-30-131.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 6.00/32.1186 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 31 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385674871 news.xs4all.nl 15881 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:34449 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60733 On Thu, 28 Nov 2013 12:23:06 -0500, Ned Batchelder declaimed the following: > >Funny, I thought the sentiment of many here was, "let's just keep this >as a newsgroup, why do we need the mailing list also?" but I'll admit to >being confused about what people have been proposing for alternate >topologies. > Count me on the newsgroup side -- though gmane access to the mailing list may suffice as long as Google doesn't "peer" with it and comp.lang.python is allowed to wither away... A mailing list would require me to somehow unsubscribe should I be away from my home connection (my previous life once-removed had me on too many 3-4 week trips to the UK where I would not have access to my accounts) -- otherwise I'd be getting nasty messages from my ISP about having an overfilled mailbox, and possibly having emails bounce. NNTP, OTOH, leaves messages on the server until whatever time-out they are using, and when I return I can fetch all messages and read/reply off-line [granted, I don't really go off-line with the DSL -- but with a limit of 20-30 hours a month of dial-up, one would not stay online with that]. It's plain text (for the most part), transfers fast, clients provide full-fledged editors, and doesn't incur the lag for each page load that a web-based forum does (especially on days when my DSL is <300kbps! I sure don't need to have a slew of CSS files transferred for each message). -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/