Path: csiph.com!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder3.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.hal-mli.net!feeder1.hal-mli.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.114 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.77; '*S*': 0.00; 'funny,': 0.09; 'posted': 0.15; 'disregard': 0.16; 'from:addr:torriem': 0.16; 'from:name:michael torrie': 0.16; 'usenet': 0.16; 'all.': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'things.': 0.19; 'seems': 0.21; 'example': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'alternate': 0.24; "i've": 0.25; 'certain': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; "i'm": 0.30; 'argue': 0.31; 'controlled': 0.31; 'proposing': 0.31; 'lists': 0.32; 'open': 0.33; 'community': 0.33; 'addresses': 0.33; 'possible.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; "i'll": 0.36; 'half': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'list.': 0.37; 'being': 0.38; 'message- id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'problems': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'sure': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'unable': 0.39; 'mailing': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'such': 0.63; 'spam.': 0.64; 'different': 0.65; 'here': 0.66; 'side': 0.67; 'between': 0.67; 'batchelder': 0.84; 'subject:Managing': 0.84; 'threats': 0.84; 'dozen': 0.91 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at torriefamily.org Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:29:13 -0700 From: Michael Torrie User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:10.0.12) Gecko/20130105 Thunderbird/10.0.12 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: Managing Google Groups headaches References: <5f370a06-8d2c-4d7d-bc22-b9a489c15c59@googlegroups.com> <834d2e9d-2fb2-4401-82fe-dbe161d6d362@googlegroups.com> <529763FF.2030305@gmail.com> <15E5E7AA-FBFF-456F-B62A-2FC55DA0380A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 18 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385663387 news.xs4all.nl 15889 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:40558 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60721 On 11/28/2013 10:23 AM, Ned Batchelder wrote: > Funny, I thought the sentiment of many here was, "let's just keep this > as a newsgroup, why do we need the mailing list also?" but I'll admit to > being confused about what people have been proposing for alternate > topologies. That may well be the majority sentiment here. I only state my opinion. Seems like 90% of the problems on this list come from the unchecked usenet side of things. Such as trolls or spam. For example a certain iron-skulled person who posted his whining rants and threats from half a dozen different addresses to the annoyance of all. Despite many calls to banish him from the list for his blatant disregard for list etiquette, with usenet it's just not possible. Although I'm sure some would argue that's a good thing to be unable to kick offenders off the list. I've used mailing lists for many years and they seem to be a good compromise between an open community and a controlled forum.