Path: csiph.com!x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed5.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.017 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.97; '*S*': 0.00; 'bug': 0.02; 'function,': 0.07; 'python': 0.08; 'compute': 0.09; 'reply- to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'to:addr:comp.lang.python': 0.09; 'tuple': 0.09; 'algorithm': 0.13; 'stored': 0.13; 'non-trivial': 0.16; 'subject:independent': 0.16; 'cc:addr:python-list': 0.16; 'meant': 0.17; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'position,': 0.19; "haven't": 0.20; 'memory': 0.21; 'dec': 0.22; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.22; 'dictionary': 0.23; 'pair': 0.23; 'table.': 0.23; 'cc:2**0': 0.24; "python's": 0.24; 'stack': 0.24; 'function': 0.27; 'received:209.85.220': 0.27; 'work.': 0.28; 'cc:addr:python.org': 0.29; 'pm,': 0.29; 'hash': 0.30; 'objects.': 0.30; 'oop': 0.30; 'sun,': 0.30; 'subject:?': 0.31; 'objects': 0.32; 'idea': 0.32; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.33; 'this.': 0.33; 'done': 0.34; 'from:addr:googlemail.com': 0.34; 'too': 0.34; 'all.': 0.34; 'avoiding': 0.34; 'then.': 0.34; 'list.': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'sets': 0.35; 'explain': 0.36; 'received:google.com': 0.37; 'think': 0.37; 'linked': 0.38; 'maps': 0.38; 'monday,': 0.38; 'some': 0.38; 'received:209.85': 0.38; 'tables': 0.39; 'why': 0.39; 'called': 0.40; 'received:209': 0.40; 'management': 0.60; 'type': 0.61; '2011': 0.61; 'miss': 0.62; 'leading': 0.62; 'power': 0.63; 'stated': 0.68; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.71; 'reply- to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'time?': 0.73; 'reply- to:addr:googlegroups.com': 0.74; 'free?': 0.84; 'sets,': 0.84; 'shrinking': 0.84; '\xa0there': 0.91 Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:24:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=1.168.138.227; posting-account=5JdMBQoAAABHnS4mjpqEzxnmWtgiiVNw References: <30715729.411.1322753732534.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pret21> <4ED7A2CE.6070306@davea.name> <6366868.86.1322800180523.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pret21> <3MKCq.194015$th7.47228@newsfe07.ams2> <26969335.380.1323013143216.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prnu18> <27797359.1293.1323021983756.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfb10> <12469565.1384.1323040641935.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@prfj18> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-Google-Web-Client: true MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: order independent hash? From: 88888 Dihedral To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Python X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: comp.lang.python@googlegroups.com List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1323235492 news.xs4all.nl 6942 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39414 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: x330-a1.tempe.blueboxinc.net comp.lang.python:16767 On Monday, December 5, 2011 7:24:49 AM UTC+8, Ian wrote: > On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 4:17 PM, 88888 Dihedral > wrote: > >> Please explain what you think a hash function is, then. =A0Per > >> Wikipedia, "A hash function is any algorithm or subroutine that maps > >> large data sets to smaller data sets, called keys." > >> > >> > Are you miss-leading the power of true OOP ? > >> > >> I have no idea what you are suggesting. =A0I was not talking about OOP= at all. > > > > In python the (k,v) pair in a dictionary k and v can be =A0both an obje= cts. > > v can be a tuple or a list. =A0There are some restrictions on k to be a= n > > =A0hashable type in python's implementation. The key is used to compute= the position of the pair to be stored in a =A0hash table. The hash functio= n maps key k to the position in the hash table. If k1!=3Dk2 are both =A0map= ped to the same > > position, then something has to be done to resolve this. >=20 > I understand how dicts / hash tables work. I don't need you to > explain that to me. What you haven't explained is why you stated that > a hash function that operates on objects is not a hash function, or > what you meant by "misleading the power of true OOP". Do you forget the memory management of a dictionary in Python that has=20 to be linked for a dynamical growing and shrinking number of (k,v) pairs=20 in a long period of time? Avoiding the true non-trivial part in any implementation or use of a dictio= nary is miss leading ?=20 Probing too deep in the stack or occupying too much in the heap is not bug free?