Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!dedibox.gegeweb.org!gegeweb.eu!nntpfeed.proxad.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!usenet-fr.net!nerim.net!novso.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; 'example:': 0.03; '16,': 0.03; 'that?': 0.05; 'raises': 0.07; 'type,': 0.07; 'be:': 0.09; 'bool': 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'subject:None': 0.09; 'typeerror:': 0.09; 'aug': 0.13; 'cases': 0.15; 'from:addr:mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'from:addr:python': 0.16; 'from:name:mrab': 0.16; 'kern': 0.16; 'message- id:@mrabarnett.plus.com': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'instance': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'versions': 0.20; 'error.': 0.21; '"",': 0.22; 'int,': 0.22; 'simpler': 0.22; 'raise': 0.24; 'second': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; '(most': 0.27; 'am,': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; '>>>>': 0.29; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'received:192.168.1.3': 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'str': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'unlike': 0.30; 'error': 0.30; 'file': 0.32; 'instances': 0.33; 'traceback': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'built-in': 0.35; 'robert': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'two': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:192': 0.39; 'received:192.168': 0.40; 'header:Reply-To:1': 0.68; 'reply-to:no real name:2**0': 0.72; 'counts': 0.81; 'reply-to:addr:python.org': 0.84 X-CM-Score: 0.00 X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=W6e6pGqk c=1 sm=1 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:17 a=DKcI9XZsuF4A:10 a=ihvODaAuJD4A:10 a=OUOv7kDek9cA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=EBOSESyhAAAA:8 a=8AHkEIZyAAAA:8 a=OHDTbXam6hcA:10 a=5ks5QSfAXL4h_WluCpoA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=0nF1XD0wxitMEM03M9B4ZQ==:117 X-AUTH: mrabarnett:2500 Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:13:20 +0100 From: MRAB User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: type(None)() References: <502cebf4$0$6905$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: python-list@python.org List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1345130003 news.xs4all.nl 6945 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:55626 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:27169 On 16/08/2012 15:56, Robert Kern wrote: > On 8/16/12 2:56 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Hans Mulder wrote: >>> On 8/08/12 04:14:01, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>>> NoneType raises an error if you try to create a second instance. bool >>>> just returns one of the two singletons (doubletons?) again. >>>> >>>> py> type(None)() >>>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>>> File "", line 1, in >>>> TypeError: cannot create 'NoneType' instances >>> >>> Why is that? >>> >>> Why doesn't it just return an existing instance of the type, >>> like bool, int, str and other built-in non-mutable types do? >> >> Because unlike those other types there is no use case for that. It's >> simpler to raise an error. > > What are the use cases for the empty-argument versions of bool(), int(), > float(), and str()? > They can be used with defaultdict. For example: counts = defaultdict(int) for i in items: counts[i] += 1 Of course, an alternative would be: counts = defaultdict(lambda: 0)