Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed6.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.000 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 1.00; '*S*': 0.00; '16,': 0.03; 'that?': 0.05; 'raises': 0.07; 'type,': 0.07; 'bool': 0.09; 'instance.': 0.09; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'subject:None': 0.09; 'typeerror:': 0.09; 'underlying': 0.09; 'aug': 0.13; 'cases': 0.15; 'kern': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'subject:type': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.17; 'instance': 0.17; 'thu,': 0.17; '>>>': 0.18; 'versions': 0.20; 'error.': 0.21; '"",': 0.22; 'int,': 0.22; 'interpret': 0.22; 'simpler': 0.22; 'raise': 0.24; 'second': 0.24; 'header:In- Reply-To:1': 0.25; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.26; '(most': 0.27; 'am,': 0.27; "doesn't": 0.28; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.28; "d'aprano": 0.29; 'steven': 0.29; 'str': 0.29; 'that.': 0.30; 'unlike': 0.30; 'error': 0.30; 'file': 0.32; 'instances': 0.33; 'traceback': 0.33; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.33; 'built-in': 0.35; 'robert': 0.35; 'pm,': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'received:org': 0.36; 'two': 0.37; 'why': 0.37; 'subject:: ': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'header:Received:5': 0.40; 'world': 0.63; 'our': 0.65; 'believe': 0.69; 'eco': 0.84; 'terrible': 0.84 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Robert Kern Subject: Re: type(None)() Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2012 15:56:53 +0100 References: <502cebf4$0$6905$e4fe514c@news2.news.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.1.240.227 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 30 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1345129024 news.xs4all.nl 6931 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:51052 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:27167 On 8/16/12 2:56 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Hans Mulder wrote: >> On 8/08/12 04:14:01, Steven D'Aprano wrote: >>> NoneType raises an error if you try to create a second instance. bool >>> just returns one of the two singletons (doubletons?) again. >>> >>> py> type(None)() >>> Traceback (most recent call last): >>> File "", line 1, in >>> TypeError: cannot create 'NoneType' instances >> >> Why is that? >> >> Why doesn't it just return an existing instance of the type, >> like bool, int, str and other built-in non-mutable types do? > > Because unlike those other types there is no use case for that. It's > simpler to raise an error. What are the use cases for the empty-argument versions of bool(), int(), float(), and str()? -- Robert Kern "I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth." -- Umberto Eco