Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!weretis.net!feeder1.news.weretis.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!xlned.com!feeder7.xlned.com!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: UNSURE 0.217 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.67; '*S*': 0.10; 'tutorial': 0.03; 'syntax': 0.04; 'works.': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'does,': 0.16; 'nick': 0.16; 'spamming': 0.16; 'tempted': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'skip': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'on,': 0.29; 'errors': 0.30; 'message-id:@mail.gmail.com': 0.30; 'code': 0.31; 'becoming': 0.31; 'trivial': 0.31; 'another': 0.32; 'subject:the': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'conduct': 0.36; 'url:org': 0.36; 'so,': 0.37; 'too': 0.37; 'list': 0.37; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'does': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'enough': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'read': 0.60; "you'll": 0.62; 'interest': 0.64; 'more': 0.64; 'frustrated': 0.68; 'cut': 0.74; 'yourself': 0.78; 'inquiring': 0.84; 'discipline': 0.91; 'subject:Don': 0.91; 'imagine': 0.93; 'responses': 0.93; 'yourself,': 0.95; '2013': 0.98 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from :date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=JszYw9HhJgcGH+gRuThiDy/RCy1NEvT9ZR61VypvZME=; b=Z3iroT4HvYOuYZFjQ4wzziPAJMFM4K0vwIEueIYboThb9WB/6RRhTcCGlY9tdRQc13 UqgQjzwI20UWhnwWQ20OTkfTjdWkxiJd8NgWqCFTx2IxcWQ0lFoCzNNKUY5p9T5EYpJp 3CpVYe9lwNH5gIpFxlD5wygJVTrNsTfD0NPla9gIwkVbTzAR5gbP2k6ZHfdqkL+eEsqD +Z/oVWl0hMbebSjM9RXZEp48GIE7CsL62rKXBdy9t6/Xzb96/sP9h8hG8rqrzBpaf79v nRrEzBXZB4xfK1/1sinVqUlYaUUIDKoeG5x3lXxkWXkU6ude7spoGHBzc75d7g6hM2ta cPiw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from :date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:content-type :x-gm-message-state; bh=JszYw9HhJgcGH+gRuThiDy/RCy1NEvT9ZR61VypvZME=; b=MqJes94Vow4jN54+3gSO6w+WWKkTqRRc/59c/nxoHPeV7KIFBAZu+lXKRe9X+klrTQ YrlnQ8JRfc184rn7Ykvnx0PwH7aR+hGKFPyrn5+mr8cRLpFUWrvIUfsk5LJijeep85S9 QkWt88RpNp8+Ojg9ty59nB3PdvpaNlWZfCFoDjhl0vFkvHnC3NfPJBUJyG61eUmpn/wr GOzcgTABX94ImBfd76gtKzABDTbHsNQ+d5DJnM7vn7C+PYvB8wbYhKYmJjUjofV6FCOz oa71xCZufxq5ai0ptcIx2cpM/tymCUlqGnhqlf55RX83re66f8CRXXiscIhoUZJOWJ4A UbxA== X-Received: by 10.180.198.44 with SMTP id iz12mr1395433wic.44.1371216807039; Fri, 14 Jun 2013 06:33:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: z@etiol.net X-Originating-IP: [190.47.101.237] In-Reply-To: References: <6dfa3707-80f4-407a-a109-66dbb0130513@googlegroups.com> <51b83e5a$0$29998$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51b90ead$0$29997$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51b9708b$0$29872$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51BADD2F.6010006@modelnine.org> <8c0ca270-1ccc-44c7-a85a-05ebd1ec9b52@v10g2000pbv.googlegroups.com> From: Zero Piraeus Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:33:06 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0s4lzec5QYI5y6Z856Gpjc_Gdpo Subject: Re: Don't feed the troll... To: python-list@python.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQla168IAK0mEkmdrpFD4Um0bWicXyvXjvyzwhO983PFGPIGiohyJ4MoDs2+voi7x3JQSkuo X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 11:25:44 +0200 X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1371288344 news.xs4all.nl 15987 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:39346 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:48271 : On 14 June 2013 08:50, Nick the Gr33k wrote: > > So, if i had no interest of actually learning python i would just cut n' > paste provided code without worrying what it actually does, since knowing > that came form you would be enough to know that works. Worrying what it actually does is good; an inquiring mind is a prerequisite for becoming a good programmer. Another prerequisite is discipline. That means the discipline to try and work out for yourself what's going on, rather than repeatedly spamming this list with trivial enquiries. It also means the discipline to both read and type carefully: until and unless you learn to take more care in how you express yourself, both in code and in prose, you will be plagued by syntax errors and frustrated responses respectively. I have only skimmed it, but you might find the following tutorial helpful: http://learnpythonthehardway.org/ Many of the early exercises may seem too basic, and you'll be tempted to skip them - given your conduct here, I imagine you'll be *strongly* tempted to skip them. Don't. You need to learn discipline. -[]z.