Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed4.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.130 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.75; '*S*': 0.01; 'binary': 0.07; 'column': 0.07; 'received:80.91': 0.09; 'received:80.91.229': 0.09; 'received:gmane.org': 0.09; 'received:list': 0.09; 'archive': 0.14; 'windows': 0.15; 'columns': 0.16; 'invoking': 0.16; 'porting': 0.16; 'received:80.91.229.3': 0.16; 'received:plane.gmane.org': 0.16; 'employer': 0.16; 'files.': 0.16; '(the': 0.22; 'comfortable': 0.22; 'tend': 0.24; 'url:home': 0.24; 'source': 0.25; 'header:X-Complaints-To:1': 0.27; 'installed': 0.27; '(my': 0.31; 'faster,': 0.31; 'probably': 0.32; 'stuff': 0.32; 'running': 0.33; 'fri,': 0.33; 'sources': 0.33; 'maybe': 0.34; "i'd": 0.34; 'could': 0.34; 'done.': 0.35; 'but': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'really': 0.36; 'accessing': 0.36; 'done': 0.36; 'next': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'charset:us-ascii': 0.36; 'needed': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'files': 0.38; 'contract': 0.38; 'previous': 0.38; 'rather': 0.38; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'received:org': 0.40; 'how': 0.40; 'even': 0.60; 'dave': 0.60; 'worry': 0.60; 'first': 0.61; 'real': 0.63; 'believe': 0.68; 'limit': 0.70; 'commercial': 0.71; 'apart': 0.72; 'gotten': 0.74; 'saw': 0.77; 'compiles': 0.84; 'data;': 0.84; 'gps': 0.84; 'improved.': 0.84; 'seat.': 0.84; 'subject:Control': 0.84; 'angel': 0.91; 'received:108': 0.93; 'dollars': 0.97; '2013': 0.98 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: python-list@python.org From: Dennis Lee Bieber Subject: Re: Version Control Software Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 20:26:11 -0400 Organization: > Bestiaria Support Staff < References: <98c13a55-dbf2-46a7-a2aa-8c5f052ff375@googlegroups.com> <2644d0de-9a81-41aa-b27a-cb4535964b58@googlegroups.com> <51BB8338.50006@davea.name> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: adsl-108-79-223-233.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.3/32.846 X-No-Archive: YES X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 38 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1371255988 news.xs4all.nl 15869 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:35874 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:48234 On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:55:20 -0400, Dave Angel declaimed the following in gmane.comp.python.general: > > if I remember rightly, it was about two-thousand dollars per seat. And > the people I saw using it were using XCOPY to copy the stuff they needed > onto their local drives, then disabling the ClearCase service so they > could get some real work done. Compiles were about 10x slower with the > service active. > My previous employer had standardized on ClearCase... Probably because the cost could be billed to the customer as part of the contract (and a customer that probably feels comfortable with big commercial version control and /reporting/ tool). RCS, Update [really old -- as I recall, it required columns 72-80 to store its versioning data; and how many people worry about a 72 column limit even in FORTRAN?], and the like tend to (my experience) fall apart if given binary files -- not just source (text) files. I believe that program used ClearCase to also archive each /build/, rather than just the status of the sources and makefiles needed to recreate the build. > Now that was on Windows NT, when Clearcase was first porting from Unix. > So perhaps things have improved. Well... I actually had an unofficial (the "free" version) of GNAT/GPS installed on my system at work (nice of GNAT to have an "install for current user" that didn't need admin)[If I really pushed, I could maybe have gotten the $$$$ support version -- we were paying for the support for Solaris&SunOS]. I'd found that GPS ran faster, accessing ClearCase internally, for editing files than running GPS on the Sun boxes... I did have to do the build on the Sun, but that was done by just opening an X session on the Sun next to my WinXP box and invoking clearmake. -- Wulfraed Dennis Lee Bieber AF6VN wlfraed@ix.netcom.com HTTP://wlfraed.home.netcom.com/