Path: csiph.com!usenet.pasdenom.info!gegeweb.org!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!newsfeed.eweka.nl!eweka.nl!feeder3.eweka.nl!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed1.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.147 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.78; '*S*': 0.08; 'programmer': 0.03; 'broken': 0.04; 'yet.': 0.04; 'lawyer.': 0.09; 'spreading': 0.09; 'subject:skip:c 10': 0.09; 'wrong,': 0.09; "wouldn't": 0.14; 'entrepreneur': 0.16; 'fine.': 0.16; 'janssen': 0.16; 'low.': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'hire': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; '>>>': 0.22; 'liability': 0.22; 'header:User-Agent:1': 0.23; 'least': 0.26; 'gets': 0.27; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'am,': 0.29; 'program,': 0.31; 'accountant': 0.31; 'talked': 0.31; 'file': 0.32; 'charge': 0.33; 'sense': 0.34; 'problem': 0.35; 'advice': 0.35; 'common': 0.35; 'something': 0.35; 'add': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'house,': 0.36; "didn't": 0.36; 'too': 0.37; 'to:addr :python-list': 0.38; "couldn't": 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'how': 0.40; 'kind': 0.63; 'more': 0.64; 'land': 0.65; 'received:74.208': 0.68; 'sales': 0.69; 'person.': 0.69; 'business': 0.70; 'car': 0.72; 'gotten': 0.74; 'obvious': 0.74; 'asia.': 0.84; 'grass': 0.84; 'lawyer': 0.84; 'leak,': 0.84; 'received:74.208.4.194': 0.84; 'subject:tool': 0.84; 'notion': 0.91; 'oil': 0.91; 'payroll': 0.93; 'free!': 0.95; 'race': 0.95; 'fight': 0.97 Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 05:18:59 -0400 From: Dave Angel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130308 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: python-list@python.org Subject: Re: im.py: a python communications tool References: <48f984a0-7702-4cba-9021-06c3985646da@googlegroups.com> <5161f508$0$29995$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> <51637779.7020209@davea.name> <5163AF6B.7040104@davea.name> <5163d53d$0$29977$c3e8da3$5496439d@news.astraweb.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:DSSUX40XTu+Tm+7sjETe6D3DeVGyTioue5GBK98rMVv FiUP9ogd4z4j6RpD5uBBi50LCyQ9nSzXUFlHpS2+HrZ7BZquQv mLacF92QXlkcVZT1YdhIUV1rd55K+k+3n+cx8bvgKGCu2T9Y4l 7aH6aBXihxmGf0EIv+csjN9ZFe14Oc3LXpTIWBuoEZQl2LdXeh AyJKsKkQro5xqIUAMAZ1H+Xp3j/LK3wClCUA97L9wF5oRcsL2x /KJ4L/bEH3/0NEuxohfNx1RVzzv0BUx5jGgqbm0cn/BIMk+qdZ w2cTuMJZlpLe31I3BhgH+TLx0XKxZXWnIF67nm71h5O+FEtFQ= = X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 33 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1365499161 news.xs4all.nl 6949 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:59466 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:43147 On 04/09/2013 05:00 AM, Mark Janssen wrote: >>> By the way, here's where part of the problem stems, right here. This >>> notion of that you have to be a lawyer -- as if their some other race or >>> something. >> >> You wouldn't go to a lawyer for advice on the best way to program. You >> wouldn't go to a car mechanic to ask for the best way to set a broken >> leg. You wouldn't go to a professional gardener to ask how to fight a >> land war in Asia. > > Yeah and a programmer wouldn't go to a lawyer to GIVE SOMETHING AWAY > FOR FREE! I mean I couldn't brainwash this kind of common sense into > a person. > And the same thinking would say that there's no need to ever change the oil in a car, just add more when the dipstick gets too low. And no need to kill the weeds in a lawn, just keep spreading more grass seed. And no need to call a plumber for a leak, just wrap it in lots of duct tape. And no need for liability insurance for your house, as nobody's gotten hurt yet. And no need to hire a programmer for a payroll program, just let Jimmy the receptionist write it in his spare time. I recently talked to a small business entrepreneur who thought she didn't have to charge or file sales tax, because her business was still small. Her accountant told her that was fine. I told her to ask a lawyer. Lots of obvious generalizations out there which are wrong, at least some of the time. -- DaveA