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On 11/27/2013 1:44 PM, Travis Griggs wrote:

> Or are you proposing that Tcl/Tk be moved out of the python core
> distro, and instead delivered as a separate package?

AFAIK, TK is only distributed with the core on Windows, where there is=20
no package manager to easily install it. It is required for the turtle=20
and idle modules.

> If *this* is
> your proposal, I wholeheartedly agree. Just the other day, I was
> working on putting python3 on a beaglebone black (similar to a
> raspberry pi). It built OK, but I had to ignore lots of warnings
> about Tcl/Tk not working, which of course was a =E2=80=9Cduh=E2=80=9D.

Were you running the test suite? Perhaps you can customize the list of=20
expect skips for your particular system. But I am not sure how.

> I was surprised, that among some, there=E2=80=99s a sentiment that pyth=
on
> core MUST include it. Which was interesting. One of the core
> principles of this language is all about modules and modularity. Why
> can=E2=80=99t the Tcl/Tk module be the same as numpy and scipy and many=
 of
> the other widely installed-after-the-fact-as-appropriate packages?

Nothing in the stdlib uses numpy. It is not a beginner package. Turtle=20
and Idle are. Idle is really necessary, at least for many beginners, on=20
Windows. Teachers and beginners appreciate being able to load and go.

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Terry Jan Reedy