Path: csiph.com!v102.xanadu-bbs.net!xanadu-bbs.net!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!newsfeed.xs4all.nl!newsfeed3.news.xs4all.nl!xs4all!newsgate.cistron.nl!newsgate.news.xs4all.nl!post.news.xs4all.nl!not-for-mail Return-Path: X-Original-To: python-list@python.org Delivered-To: python-list@mail.python.org X-Spam-Status: OK 0.006 X-Spam-Evidence: '*H*': 0.99; '*S*': 0.00; 'warnings': 0.04; 'scipy': 0.05; 'widely': 0.05; 'python3': 0.07; 'subject:bug': 0.07; 'tkinter': 0.07; 'dan': 0.09; 'tcl/tk': 0.09; 'python': 0.11; 'bug': 0.12; '*this*': 0.16; 'agree.': 0.16; 'numpy': 0.16; 'purported': 0.16; 'with?': 0.16; 'subject:python': 0.16; 'ignore': 0.16; 'language': 0.16; 'wrote:': 0.18; 'module': 0.19; 'replacing': 0.19; 'putting': 0.22; 'separate': 0.22; 'propose': 0.24; 'rid': 0.24; 'header:In-Reply-To:1': 0.27; 'rest': 0.29; 'am,': 0.29; 'moved': 0.30; 'proposing': 0.31; 'mac': 0.33; 'core': 0.34; 'but': 0.35; 'received:google.com': 0.35; 'there': 0.35; 'version': 0.36; 'message-id:@gmail.com': 0.38; 'problems': 0.38; 'nov': 0.38; 'to:addr:python-list': 0.38; 'weight': 0.39; 'to:addr:python.org': 0.39; 'most': 0.60; 'black': 0.61; 'new': 0.61; 'course': 0.61; 'header:Message-Id:1': 0.63; 'charset:windows-1252': 0.65; 'obvious': 0.74; 'it\x92s': 0.84; 'package?': 0.84; 'surprised,': 0.84; 'working,': 0.84; '2013,': 0.91; 'can\x92t': 0.91; 'proposal,': 0.91 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=eb4RzfT1ArJKJd2ton+E2RXhWi4I6W1MYRljN7osCWY=; b=r9Xyu9KsfntI48hARAY2q0A9DiJyt6gzBoxzAoq14+/n7Kouj7wXjqOxwmfnZMKdRV YZZCXNNyeWbBMNGmP4MHPVOl+TBwmUn2zApaKZHSCz+FyaqSH7OKNkd8/bhmlZDyeDjO u6PzlDMHRE/VDC+uZkf+XilxLuhbwwlYsR18dzgr91x1UX34IQZPiHcBecVOAzpm20CW DHj1tArloeDfOGasoerNyaXQK2QVhQESwKjCag5IHimNJi8z4LFm26TVUI41EQXVPxNA tRyp+L+Wxv5cnRzOm1dWkKIKT/+1ZINr4SL4e+gTMnx/lSZNM7xDgG27jPtXRy9wsToB rqdg== X-Received: by 10.67.30.100 with SMTP id kd4mr43407234pad.24.1385577881790; Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:44:41 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.0 \(1822\)) Subject: Re: tkinter bug on mac maverick python 3.3.3 From: Travis Griggs In-Reply-To: <5295d83d$0$3458$426a34cc@news.free.fr> Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 10:44:38 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <5295d83d$0$3458$426a34cc@news.free.fr> To: python-list@python.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1822) X-BeenThere: python-list@python.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion list for the Python programming language List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Newsgroups: comp.lang.python Message-ID: Lines: 29 NNTP-Posting-Host: 2001:888:2000:d::a6 X-Trace: 1385577885 news.xs4all.nl 15889 [2001:888:2000:d::a6]:41852 X-Complaints-To: abuse@xs4all.nl Xref: csiph.com comp.lang.python:60630 On Nov 27, 2013, at 3:32 AM, Dan Wissme wrote: > Hi ! > Am I the only one to get a bug in GUIs using tkinter on my Mac under = maverick and Python 3.3.3 ? > When will they get rid of Tcl/Tk which causes recurrent problems at = almost each new Python version ! > Please, for the rest of us... I=92m curious, if they get rid of Tcl/Tk as you wished, what do you = propose replacing it with? It=92s not like there are other =93light weight cross platform ui = frameworks=94 that are obvious replacements. Most of the others are far = heavier. And all have issues with their purported cross platformness. Or are you proposing that Tcl/Tk be moved out of the python core distro, = and instead delivered as a separate package? If *this* is your proposal, = I wholeheartedly agree. Just the other day, I was working on putting = python3 on a beaglebone black (similar to a raspberry pi). It built OK, = but I had to ignore lots of warnings about Tcl/Tk not working, which of = course was a =93duh=94. I was surprised, that among some, there=92s a sentiment that python core = MUST include it. Which was interesting. One of the core principles of = this language is all about modules and modularity. Why can=92t the = Tcl/Tk module be the same as numpy and scipy and many of the other = widely installed-after-the-fact-as-appropriate packages?=